Has anyone else completely lost faith in the military?

[Alvin Walton]

I'm not happy about these happenings but it has nothing to do with losing faith in the military.
I think they do their job quite well.
And I have always been against integrating women with men in the military.
Too much "shit" can happen and we're seeing that right now.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

I'm not happy about these happenings but it has nothing to do with losing faith in the military.
I think they do their job quite well.
And I have always been against integrating women with men in the military.
Too much "shit" can happen and we're seeing that right now.

The title of the thread is just following a theme from other threads.

If they dealt with their "shit" appropriately in the first place they wouldn't be having these problems.

I don't see a logical reason why men and women can't work and serve together as equals. Sad.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The title of the thread is just following a theme from other threads.

If they dealt with their "shit" appropriately in the first place they wouldn't be having these problems.

I don't see a logical reason why men and women can't work and serve together as equals. Sad.

This.

The notion sexual assault is the natural outcome of men and women serving together is BS. If there was real discipline and decency throughout the military this wouldn't be happening, and that's the bottom line.

The military provides a step up for many, many people. Excluding women from the opportunity would be just as wrong as the incidents of sexual assault IMO.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by The Goat

This.

The notion sexual assault is the natural outcome of men and women serving together is BS. If there was real discipline and decency throughout the military this wouldn't be happening, and that's the bottom line.

The military provides a step up for many, many people. Excluding women from the opportunity would be just as wrong as the incidents of sexual assault IMO.

I think that excluding them would be wrong also.
I think that integrating them with men is also a bad idea.
If you put men and women together on an aircraft carrier or on a remote base for an extended deployment you are going to have problems.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

I think that excluding them would be wrong also.
I think that integrating them with men is also a bad idea.
If you put men and women together on an aircraft carrier or on a remote base for an extended deployment you are going to have problems.

Weak.

That sort of thinking led to these issues in the first place.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Weak.

That sort of thinking led to these issues in the first place.

Ever watch this doc?

CARRIER | PBS

A carrier is like a giant floating High School.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Weak.

That sort of thinking led to these issues in the first place.

No, its not weak.
I've been there and seen it to a degree. (seen it on a lower level, not participated)

You cant "command" testosterone especially when its combined with alcohol.

If you recall it was the PC crowd that wanted the integration to happen.
Military commanders were against it for these types of reasons.
They gave warnings but no one listened and it was forced on them.
This is the fault of the PC govt we have, not the military.

And it isnt a "type of thinking" its mother nature, bravado and alcohol doing its thing.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

No, its not weak.
I've been there and seen it to a degree. (seen it on a lower level, not participated)

You cant "command" testosterone especially when its combined with alcohol.

If you recall it was the PC crowd that wanted the integration to happen.
Military commanders were against it for these types of reasons.
They gave warnings but no one listened and it was forced on them.
This is the fault of the PC govt we have, not the military.

And it isnt a "type of thinking" its mother nature, bravado and alcohol doing its thing.

Like I said, this line of thinking led to these issues.

You're basically throwing your hands up and saying oh well, when men and women get together shit happens.

Lame.

The military clearly looked the other way for too long and did not have policies in place to discourage this behavior and to properly discipline those that were clearly way out of line.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The title of the thread is just following a theme from other threads.

If they dealt with their "shit" appropriately in the first place they wouldn't be having these problems.

I don't see a logical reason why men and women can't work and serve together as equals. Sad.

The same applies in the civilian sector.
Its not like all American perverts and racists are frog marched off to boot camp and put in a uniform.
The military isnt good at HR stuff and I dont ever expect it to be.
Way to much testosterone and bravado being paraded around.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

I think they do their job quite well.

If you classify their job as killing people than yes they do that quite well. Unfortunately, they kill far too many innocent people to consider anything they do "well."

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

If you classify their job as killing people than yes they do that quite well. Unfortunately, they kill far too many innocent people to consider anything they do "well."

Wow...nice thread derail.
Anyone else wanna bash our military?