PrismmmMMMMmmmm, good! NOT!

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

Sitting through a few security briefs made him change his tune.

Yeahh....no.


You mean the same "security briefs" that gave our last president credible info that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Those same guys? /facepalm


There is no security brief I could ever attend that would make me change my mind about spying on our own people without legal warrants. None.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Yeahh....no.


You mean the same "security briefs" that gave our last president credible info that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Those same guys? /facepalm


There is no security brief I could ever attend that would make me change my mind about spying on our own people with legal warrants. None.

You sound like Obama 6 years ago (I bet that stings a little, lol)...before he knew what he knows now.

[NC_Skins]

Why James Clapper Should Be Impeached For Lying To Congress | Techdirt


Roger Clemens lies to Congress and they go after him relentlessly. The head of NSA lies to Congress and I imagine nothing will happen.

Why isn't he being charged? Why isn't he being impeached?


You want me to have faith in these guys to properly brief the President? **** no. Absolutely not.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Why James Clapper Should Be Impeached For Lying To Congress | Techdirt


Roger Clemens lies to Congress and they go after him relentlessly. The head of NSA lies to Congress and I imagine nothing will happen.

Why isn't he being charged? Why isn't he being impeached?


You want me to have faith in these guys to properly brief the President? **** no. Absolutely not.

LOL , and you want to know why people laugh at you? You just compared the Head of NSA to Roger Clemens .

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

LOL , and you want to know why people laugh at you? You just compared the Head of NSA to Roger Clemens .

Well, I think his point is you would rather have Congress worry more if the Head of the NSA is covering up activities, then if a baseball player used ped's.

I know I certainly would.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

LOL , and you want to know why people laugh at you? You just compared the Head of NSA to Roger Clemens .

I haven't asked why people are laughing at me, mainly because they are not. Are you so dense that you don't realize that lying to congress is a crime? The fact that you think government officials should be above the law is mind boggling to say the least.


18 USC § 1001 - Statements or entries generally | Title 18 - Crimes and Criminal Procedure | U.S. Code | LII / Legal Information Institute

Regarding testimony given while NOT under oath:


(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully—

(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation;

or

(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;
shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both. If the matter relates to an offense under chapter 109A, 109B, 110, or 117, or section 1591, then the term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be not more than 8 years.

(b) Subsection (a) does not apply to a party to a judicial proceeding, or that party’s counsel, for statements, representations, writings or documents submitted by such party or counsel to a judge or magistrate in that proceeding.

(c) With respect to any matter within the jurisdiction of the legislative branch, subsection (a) shall apply only to—

(1) administrative matters, including a claim for payment, a matter related to the procurement of property or services, personnel or employment practices, or support services, or a document required by law, rule, or regulation to be submitted to the Congress or any office or officer within the legislative branch; or

(2) any investigation or review, conducted pursuant to the authority of any committee, subcommittee, commission or office of the Congress, consistent with applicable rules of the House or Senate.

[NC_Skins]

You know what's eery? Bin Laden said this in 2002.

CNN.com - Bin Laden's sole post-September 11 TV interview aired - February 5, 2002

"I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed," bin Laden said as the U.S. war on terrorism raged in Afghanistan. "The U.S. government will lead the American people in -- and the West in general -- into an unbearable hell and a choking life."

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Yeahh....no.


You mean the same "security briefs" that gave our last president credible info that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Those same guys? /facepalm


There is no security brief I could ever attend that would make me change my mind about spying on our own people with legal warrants. None.

Well thank God you are not in charge.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Well thank God you are not in charge.

Why? I'd get rid of big money lobbying and changed campaign finance all together. I would then get rid of the god awful Patriot Act and do away with the Homeland Security waste.


I'd be a much better President than the one we currently have or the one previous to him as well.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

There is no security brief I could ever attend that would make me change my mind about spying on our own people with legal warrants. None.

Says the person who has never been to a security brief.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Says the person who has never been to a security brief.

There is absolutely nothing that a security brief could tell me that would make me change my mind about the Fourth Amendment. Also, Obama had those briefs prior to his administration and yet he still said he didn't support any of it.

The Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution restrict government searches and seizures. The amendment reads:

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

Ron Paul has been in those meetings and he's saying the same thing.


I guess some of you are OK with doing away with the Fourth Amendment completely. We might as well. The whole "if you don't have anything to hide, you shouldn't care" mentality should also apply to your home. Well ****, let the cops and government come search your house at will because....after all, if you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't care. But..but ...that's different. No, no it's not, which is exactly why our founding fathers put that in place.


Also, to think that the government wouldn't use this against political enemies is laughable to say the least. Surely they wouldn't use the IRS to target peo.....oh wait. I'm sure many other agencies have been used to target political enemies as well, and now you want to give them access to your person life. God damn this country and its people have gone to shit. They've bought into this warped mentality that the government is doing what's right for the people and you should sit back and let them go unquestioned and unchecked.