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[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Question , how many people were in this country when Ben was President and said that , think real hard about that .

Good for you , I knew you would get it . Ben never ran a country ,he could say what ever he wanted without consequence .You might want to admit times are just a tad different now from back then .

Are you saying that Franklin's statement is incorrect?

What an obedient drone you are! <pats_GiantOne_on_his_empty_little_head>

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Are you saying that Franklin's statement is incorrect?

What an obedient drone you are! <pats_GiantOne_on_his_empty_little_head>

Just saying that Franklin's statement does not apply here.(as all others nod their head in agreement and laugh at Redskinrat)

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Just saying that Franklin's statement does not apply here.(as all others nod their head in agreement and laugh at Redskinrat)

I certainly hope you are wrong, but I fear you are right. Sadly, those saying to heed Franklin's advice will find little solace when our government no longer is our government.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Just saying that Franklin's statement does not apply here.(as all others nod their head in agreement and laugh at Redskinrat)

Not me. You underestimate the threats to our young country when Franklin said those words. They were not threats of terrorism from Afghanistan, of course, but the early USA was vulnerable in terms of security. We had no navy to repel invasion and a dysfunctional army, as the Whiskey Rebellion briefly showed.

Plus, just because Franklin was not President does not make his words prima facie untrue, as you have implied. A person can say things which are true even if they don't "have the weight of the world on their shoulders."

Franklin's words still apply. It is sad that some of my fellow Americans do not see this.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Not me. You underestimate the threats to our young country when Franklin said those words. They were not threats of terrorism from Afghanistan, of course, but the early USA was vulnerable in terms of security. We had no navy to repel invasion and a dysfunctional army, as the Whiskey Rebellion briefly showed.

Plus, just because Franklin was not President does not make his words prima facie untrue, as you have implied. A person can say things which are true even if they don't "have the weight of the world on their shoulders."

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The pictures compared the two ,I'm saying you can't .The Men are in two very different situations and two very different times. Since Franklin was or is not President in his time or this one his words are merely his opinion .....not fact .

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Giantone

The pictures compared the two ,I'm saying you can't .The Men are in two very different situations and two very different times. Since Franklin was or is not President in his time or this one his words are merely his opinion .....not fact .

Of course times are different. That doesn't make what was said earlier wrong.

But the most troubling part of your post is the bolded part. Your logic, in your words, is that a President speaks words which are "fact", everyone else speaks words which are merely "opinion." Are you sure about that? That means that neither Nixon nor Clinton did anything wrong, since their claims of innocence were "facts" while their accusers only had "opinions."

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Of course times are different. That doesn't make what was said earlier wrong.

But the most troubling part of your post is the bolded part. Your logic, in your words, is that a President speaks words which are "fact", everyone else speaks words which are merely "opinion." Are you sure about that? That means that neither Nixon nor Clinton did anything wrong, since their claims of innocence were "facts" while their accusers only had "opinions."

LOL , hope you didn't pull a muscle while stretching your interpretation of what I said. So you disagree that when a President speaks his words are question examine more closely or carry more weight then another citizen ?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Giantone

LOL , hope you didn't pull a muscle while stretching your interpretation of what I said. So you disagree that when a President speaks his words are question examine more closely or carry more weight then another citizen ?

I didn't stretch anything. You made a truth claim above. You said when a President speaks, he speaks "fact," whereas when anyone else speaks, they speak only "opinion." Those are your words, not mine.

And your claim is patently false. Presidents offer "opinions," even "untruths," all the time. And non-Presidents offer "facts" all the time.

Ben Franklin still has wise words. It is a shame that your ears are closed to them.

[Giantone]

[QUOTE=Lotus;1012184]Of course times are different. That doesn't make what was said earlier wrong.

QUOTE]


Wrong, maybe not for his time but as I have said before you can not compare the two and that's what I was discussing .

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Not me. You underestimate the threats to our young country when Franklin said those words. They were not threats of terrorism from Afghanistan, of course, but the early USA was vulnerable in terms of security. We had no navy to repel invasion and a dysfunctional army, as the Whiskey Rebellion briefly showed.

Plus, just because Franklin was not President does not make his words prima facie untrue, as you have implied. A person can say things which are true even if they don't "have the weight of the world on their shoulders."

Franklin's words still apply. It is sad that some of my fellow Americans do not see this.

It IS indeed......
Times change...principles do not. Or....should not.