What's up with the cops these days?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

sorry to be tagging each one with a repetitive response, but again, cops aren't underrated. Who doesn't tip their hat to one when they come out of Dunkin Donuts, or 7-11. Back to my MP days, when I walked in to a BX(military walmart) in uniform, mostly everyone was pleasant, respectful and gave me the utmost in pleasantries. I know that alot of that was due simply to the emblem on my collar, and the MP on my arm. (not that I'm not a nice guy anyway ). There isn't a cop (who's not in it for power) who doesn't know that they are appreciated and that nonLE/nonCriminals appreciate the good guys for what they do.

It's the ones who feel their position of authority makes them somehow more special, or above the law, that are the bad eggs, and they shouldn't be allowed to hide behind the shield when they are outted.

Maybe not to you, but threads like this say otherwise. You're also coming from a different perspective as someone who was in the field.

It would be nice if we had a little more balance between the negatives and positives. I know in general people love to bitch and complain vs. point out the good things.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Maybe not to you, but threads like this say otherwise. You're also coming from a different perspective as someone who was in the field.

It would be nice if we had a little more balance between the negatives and positives. I know in general people love to bitch and complain vs. point out the good things.

Pointing out a police doing something nice is like pointing out a lawyer for getting somebody out of a speeding ticket. It's their job. As CR pointed out, cops are very much appreciated and respected. In fact, I have two in my own family that serve with the highway patrol. In fact, we had to bury one this past week. My uncle was a beacon and model of how officers should be. Respected the position, respected his fellow officers, and respected the people he served.




Most of the stuff that's posted here is negative because that's basically what this thread is about. (cops doing stupid shit) I've posted the other week about how good our cops handled a shooting in our town.

http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-w...ml#post1012916

Just because I'm not posting the "good" deeds the cops are doing doesn't mean I'm not aware of those good deeds. Furthermore, I understand that the majority of cops are good, and don't abuse the power given to them. However, even good cops hide the actions of bad cops with their "Thin Blue Line". I have more of a issue with the system itself than I do with individual cops. We have leadership in law enforcement that would rather cover up a bad cop's actions than to punish said action. They essentially are condoning the bad behavior. I've seen it happen. I've had the Sgt. here at the university tell me of many instances where it happens.

[NC_Skins]

Bottom line is. Cops should be held to a higher standard. The problem is, they aren't. (as noted by many of these things posted)

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Bottom line is. Cops should be held to a higher standard. The problem is, they aren't. (as noted by many of these things posted)

Sorry , I have to say bullshit to this ! Why , just because you say so? Look the police officers themselves try to hold themselves as examples to the public but as was pointed out there are bad apples in every section of society, don't damn all because of a few and when all that is posted is the bad , well then that is the impression you are giving that all ...not just some are bad.
We say the same about our sports hero's , they should be held to a higher standard, again same answer ...they are human and there are some bad with the good, it happens but if all we do is point out the bad then we give the view that are beliefs of them is just that all bad.
People that should be held to a higher standard.....
Police
Military
Parents
Firemen
EMTs
Teachers
Clergy
Politicians'
Doctors
Athletes
Business people
anyone alive....etc.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

We say the same about our sports hero's , they should be held to a higher standard, again same answer ...

Most of the "we" you speak of are ignorant people who have no grasp of what's valuable and what is not. Nobody in their right mind thinks a sports hero should be held to a higher standard. Mainly because nobody in their right mind (beyond kids) would put a sports hero on a pedestal. To put a athlete and a public officer in the same category is laughable at best.

Yes, I expect more from cops, doctors, and politicians. Yes I think there should be a higher standard from these people while doing their jobs. If you don't understand why that should be, I'm not sure what to tell you. I think it would be clear on how valuable those professions are to the public and the amount of lives at stake with the powers these positions hold.

[NC_Skins]

This is the standard I speak of. The system is corrupt. It has been and will continue as long as we allow it. It's not just the cops, it's the judges as well. Here we have a judge who finds a officer "not guilty" of police brutality because she refused to allow the video as evidence.

Judge Finds Cop Not Guilty of Assault after Refusing to Watch Video of Assault - | Intellihub.com


This is your ****ing judicial system at work here. One that's keeping the crimes against the population under wraps. One that's ignoring the laws of the land to exercise their own justice in the way they see fit.



Listen to the police union douchebag say how video shouldn't be used against cops.

[NC_Skins]

Here we have cops shooting a innocent woman, and then lying about the incident. Claiming to have his arm rolled up in the window, a witness who saw the whole thing says otherwise.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Pointing out a police doing something nice is like pointing out a lawyer for getting somebody out of a speeding ticket. It's their job. As CR pointed out, cops are very much appreciated and respected. In fact, I have two in my own family that serve with the highway patrol. In fact, we had to bury one this past week. My uncle was a beacon and model of how officers should be. Respected the position, respected his fellow officers, and respected the people he served.




Most of the stuff that's posted here is negative because that's basically what this thread is about. (cops doing stupid shit) I've posted the other week about how good our cops handled a shooting in our town.

http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-w...ml#post1012916

Just because I'm not posting the "good" deeds the cops are doing doesn't mean I'm not aware of those good deeds. Furthermore, I understand that the majority of cops are good, and don't abuse the power given to them. However, even good cops hide the actions of bad cops with their "Thin Blue Line". I have more of a issue with the system itself than I do with individual cops. We have leadership in law enforcement that would rather cover up a bad cop's actions than to punish said action. They essentially are condoning the bad behavior. I've seen it happen. I've had the Sgt. here at the university tell me of many instances where it happens.

I'm sorry for the loss.

I suppose it's because we don't have a "kudos to cops" thread that comments here (I'm sure many without knowing the full story of what happened) stand out.

Perhaps it's because of the negative nature of the majority of the threads in this forum but it seems like a lot of people here are anti "The Man" to somewhat absurd extremes. Or I could just be making assumptions, probably am.

That said, I don't really buy the "it's your job" argument. Yes, they've chosen to put themselves in a position of danger at nearly any given moment. But, and I know this may upset some, but people willingly join the military and are lauded as heroes, yet it seems to me police officers often aren't.

Again, very sorry for your family's loss

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm sorry for the loss.

I suppose it's because we don't have a "kudos to cops" thread that comments here (I'm sure many without knowing the full story of what happened) stand out.

Perhaps it's because of the negative nature of the majority of the threads in this forum but it seems like a lot of people here are anti "The Man" to somewhat absurd extremes. Or I could just be making assumptions, probably am.

That said, I don't really buy the "it's your job" argument. Yes, they've chosen to put themselves in a position of danger at nearly any given moment. But, and I know this may upset some, but people willingly join the military and are lauded as heroes, yet it seems to me police officers often aren't.

Again, very sorry for your family's loss

Agreed. Soldiers do some horrible things too but are mostly off limits to criticism it seems.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm sorry for the loss.

I suppose it's because we don't have a "kudos to cops" thread that comments here (I'm sure many without knowing the full story of what happened) stand out.

Perhaps it's because of the negative nature of the majority of the threads in this forum but it seems like a lot of people here are anti "The Man" to somewhat absurd extremes. Or I could just be making assumptions, probably am.

That said, I don't really buy the "it's your job" argument. Yes, they've chosen to put themselves in a position of danger at nearly any given moment. But, and I know this may upset some, but people willingly join the military and are lauded as heroes, yet it seems to me police officers often aren't.

Again, very sorry for your family's loss

Thank you for the condolences Smoot. We've pretty much prepared for his departure since the beginning of the year when he was diagnosed with cancer of the pancreas, which was inoperable in his case. Glad we got a chance to say goodbye to him a couple weeks ago with the rest of the family. Also, **** cancer.


Yes, I will agree with you that military is viewed more favorably among the population compared to police officers, but I imagine that's because people interact more with our police than the military. We see the bad things cops do on youtube, but we hardly hear about the rapes and murders done by military men unless it's leak to the press. I'm sure if more people followed the military personnel around with cameras, we'd probably be horrified at some of the things our "heroes" do. I personally think military men, fireman, and cops all have thankless and underpaid jobs. I salute the men serving, but I also distrust the system as it is.

Needless to say, I assure you that I hold the same type of contempt for the soldiers (and leaders) that do these types of things, and then try to cover it up.

As far as anti-"the man" goes, I'm anarchist at heart, but I know realistically that a government is needed because we have too many stupid (and corrupt) people to govern themselves. I'm big with civil rights and liberties, and think those are are that should not be meddled with. I think corporate money and religion have no place in our government, but both seemingly continue to sway our political structure in favor of the morally bankrupt.

[Daseal]

I believe we're in an "it's your job" argument. However, I also feel that way about the military. The military is a great way to get an education and some amazing experience with some cutting edge technology. I understand and respect the sacrifices the military folks make, but it's part of job that is well known. The military opens up some incredible opportunities for those who pursue a career there. You get a chance to travel the world, get a heavily subsidized education, and hands on experience with some cutting edge technologies. After the military, it's also to get placed into the market. We have someone who has a full-time job as the former-military liaison to recruit them to our company. I've seen a lot of military guys come in for positions they were not qualified for simply because of that background.

The reason why the negative things come up is because that's what gets reported. Saying "Policeman does his job" isn't really great news. I don't want to read that, neither than you. There are the occasional stories that highlight those that go above and beyond, but those are relatively rare. Most cops are great people with good intentions, but a few bad apples spoil the bunch.

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm sorry for the loss.

I suppose it's because we don't have a "kudos to cops" thread that comments here (I'm sure many without knowing the full story of what happened) stand out.

Perhaps it's because of the negative nature of the majority of the threads in this forum but it seems like a lot of people here are anti "The Man" to somewhat absurd extremes. Or I could just be making assumptions, probably am.

That said, I don't really buy the "it's your job" argument. Yes, they've chosen to put themselves in a position of danger at nearly any given moment. But, and I know this may upset some, but people willingly join the military and are lauded as heroes, yet it seems to me police officers often aren't.

Again, very sorry for your family's loss