ESPN Unveils 2013 Jaws’ QB Countdown List

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

And Eli has won 2 super bowl MVPs coming out of the NFC.His playoff record is better than Peytons

Eli is also better than Dan Marino.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Eli is also better than Dan Marino.

Ya think Dan would take one of Eli's super bowl wins , IMO hell yes....in a NY min!

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Ya think Dan would take one of Eli's super bowl wins , IMO hell yes....in a NY min!

Of course Marino wishes that he had a ring. But that doesn't mean that Eli is better than Marino and so is irrelevant to a discussion about who's better.

[skinsfaninok]

Let's also look at it this way.. when was the last time we had a top 13 QB?

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Let's also look at it this way.. when was the last time we had a top 13 QB?

Brad Johnson, 1999.

And LMAO at the suggestion Eli > Peyton.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Brad Johnson, 1999.

And LMAO at the suggestion Eli > Peyton.

I agree with this. It's so laughably ridiculous to think Eli is even anywhere close to Peyton. But then, Giantone is biased...

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

I agree with this. It's so laughably ridiculous to think Eli is even anywhere close to Peyton. But then, Giantone is biased...

Why is Peyton better, count the playoffs and superbowls .

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Why is Peyton better, count the playoffs and superbowls .

In the regular season it's not even close, Peyton by a mile.

Playoff records are definitely a factor, and I give Eli a lot more credit to him in the postseason. He has been the benefactor of some pretty miraculous plays in the playoffs as well.

So I have to say that Peyton is the greatest regular season QB of all time.

Eli is good but not consistently good enough to be considered as good as his brother.

[CultBrennan59]

Top 5 right now, IMO:
1. Peyton Manning
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Tom Brady
4. Drew Brees
5. Joe Flacco

I could have gone a lot of different routes for that last spot. Matt Ryan, Eli, and Big Ben. I eliminated Ryan because he's only won 1 playoff game in his 5 years in the league, and he throws to a Hall of Fame TE, and two Pro Bowl WRs. Eli had a decent year last year. He's 2/2 in Super Bowls, but he also throws lots of picks. Big Ben is very good, but when he gets hurt (which is quiet often) his team doesn't do as well, but yet still good enough to win games. Its not like a Peyton Manning where that team crumbles. Also Big Ben may have 2 super bowl rings, but he was awful in his first super bowl, and in his 3rd super bowl appearance his turnovers were ultimately the difference from his team winning and losing. Flacco has always been a good QB, but last year he really did well and come playoff time he outperformed Brady for a 2nd year in a row. In the Super Bowl this year he played better than Brady, either Manning, Brees and very comparable than Rodgers did in their respective super bowl appearances.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Top 5 right now, IMO:
1. Peyton Manning
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Tom Brady
4. Drew Brees
5. Joe Flacco

I could have gone a lot of different routes for that last spot. Matt Ryan, Eli, and Big Ben. I eliminated Ryan because he's only won 1 playoff game in his 5 years in the league, and he throws to a Hall of Fame TE, and two Pro Bowl WRs. Eli had a decent year last year. He's 2/2 in Super Bowls, but he also throws lots of picks. Big Ben is very good, but when he gets hurt (which is quiet often) his team doesn't do as well, but yet still good enough to win games. Its not like a Peyton Manning where that team crumbles. Also Big Ben may have 2 super bowl rings, but he was awful in his first super bowl, and in his 3rd super bowl appearance his turnovers were ultimately the difference from his team winning and losing. Flacco has always been a good QB, but last year he really did well and come playoff time he outperformed Brady for a 2nd year in a row. In the Super Bowl this year he played better than Brady, either Manning, Brees and very comparable than Rodgers did in their respective super bowl appearances.

Good breakdown of the #5 spot and options associated with it. I wonder if Flacco would even be in the consideration if Rahim Moore had taken two more steps before jumping.. Flacco is the most recent example IMO of people being prisoners of the moment.. He's a good QB, no question.. Elite? Eh.. Top 5? Don't see it. One of my criteria is 'can he make up for the deficiencies of his team around him (lack of running game, poor defense, shaky OL). I don't know that Flacco can do any of that.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Good breakdown of the #5 spot and options associated with it. I wonder if Flacco would even be in the consideration if Rahim Moore had taken two more steps before jumping.. Flacco is the most recent example IMO of people being prisoners of the moment.. He's a good QB, no question.. Elite? Eh.. Top 5? Don't see it. One of my criteria is 'can he make up for the deficiencies of his team around him (lack of running game, poor defense, shaky OL). I don't know that Flacco can do any of that.

Yeah and don't get me wrong any of those are guys are good options, but like I said, this is my list Right Now, not history of these guys careers. So heading into 2013's season I see these guys as the top 5 best QBs. Obviously at this point next year we'll be changing this list around. (Hopefully) RG3 will be on this list next year.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

One of my criteria is 'can he make up for the deficiencies of his team around him (lack of running game, poor defense, shaky OL).

I think if I had to synthesize my criteria it would come down to this.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Top 5 right now, IMO:
1. Peyton Manning
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Tom Brady
4. Drew Brees
5. Joe Flacco

I could have gone a lot of different routes for that last spot. Matt Ryan, Eli, and Big Ben. I eliminated Ryan because he's only won 1 playoff game in his 5 years in the league, and he throws to a Hall of Fame TE, and two Pro Bowl WRs. Eli had a decent year last year. He's 2/2 in Super Bowls, but he also throws lots of picks. Big Ben is very good, but when he gets hurt (which is quiet often) his team doesn't do as well, but yet still good enough to win games. Its not like a Peyton Manning where that team crumbles. Also Big Ben may have 2 super bowl rings, but he was awful in his first super bowl, and in his 3rd super bowl appearance his turnovers were ultimately the difference from his team winning and losing. Flacco has always been a good QB, but last year he really did well and come playoff time he outperformed Brady for a 2nd year in a row. In the Super Bowl this year he played better than Brady, either Manning, Brees and very comparable than Rodgers did in their respective super bowl appearances.

U and I will always see different on this lol. Btw Joe is not a top 5 QB, he got hot in the playoffs but overall he's not better than Ben or Eli. Joe had the worst ever QBR last year against Houston and he also threw for like 25 yards in a playoff game a few yrs back.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

U and I will always see different on this lol. Btw Joe is not a top 5 QB, he got hot in the playoffs but overall he's not better than Ben or Eli. Joe had the worst ever QBR last year against Houston and he also threw for like 25 yards in a playoff game a few yrs back.

Keep in mind I'm talking last year and going into this year.

[skinsfaninok]

Brad was pretty good that yr.