Around the NFL 2013 Offseason (Episode 99)

[Skinzman]

Luck is going to be a good QB. He had a trash offensive line last year and no running game. But he is also mistake prone. Dont forget that even with all of the int's he had, he led the league in int's dropped as well. I believe it was something like 8 would be int's that were dropped by the defenses.

I also expect him to greatly struggle this year. Look at the Saints last year when they lost their HC and the offensive genius of the team. The Colts are losing the offensive guru plus their defacto HC from last year. They are also losing the emotional rallying cry they had last year when they all rallied around their HC in the hospital.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

I don't know of anyone who is calling Luck a once-in-a-lifetime player, but plenty of people think he is going to have a great career, and rightfully so. He set the rookie record for passing yards, unquestionably has a smart football mind, is an underrated athlete, is a great game manager, has really good arm strength, the list goes on... The 18 INTs isn't a big concern because he's a rookie; in addition he was throwing the ball quite a few times a game. Heck, Peyton f****** Manning threw ten more INTs his rookie year than Luck did. The other small area of concern is completion percentage. But Manning only had a 56.7 percentage his rookie year, whereas Luck completed 54.1% of his passes. If Manning can improve that much, why can't Luck? Kiper gave Luck a very similar grade to Elway, so obviously he thinks Luck is going to be special.

Let's be clear though. I would take RG3 over Luck every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Both are great quarterbacks, and will have HOF careers.

The most overrated stat in football is completion %. I pay little attention to that. The minute Luck walked on the field for Indy they were no longer a 2 win team. That's what kind of player he is, regardless of completion %. Same w/ RG3 but that's mainly because of his threat to run. Right now, w/out question I take Luck over RG3. We don't know if RG3 can make it 16 games, or have any type of career because of his knees. I also think we need to see RG3 become more of a pocket passer and get down the nuances of the passing game. I think Luck has that part of the game down already where RG3 needs to get there. I think RG3 really takes that step next year, with hopefully a full off season where he's not doing any rehab.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Right now, w/out question I take Luck over RG3. We don't know if RG3 can make it 16 games, or have any type of career because of his knees. I also think we need to see RG3 become more of a pocket passer and get down the nuances of the passing game. I think Luck has that part of the game down already where RG3 needs to get there. I think RG3 really takes that step next year, with hopefully a full off season where he's not doing any rehab.

I think RG3 has proven himself as a good pocket passer already. There may be some doubt as to whether he makes good reads on the second/third options, but he seemed to do a good job finding guys even across the field when he scrambled.

Agreed durability is an issue. RG3 just isn't a big guy like Luck, Newton, Rothlisberger.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The most overrated stat in football is completion %. I pay little attention to that. The minute Luck walked on the field for Indy they were no longer a 2 win team. That's what kind of player he is, regardless of completion %. Same w/ RG3 but that's mainly because of his threat to run. Right now, w/out question I take Luck over RG3. We don't know if RG3 can make it 16 games, or have any type of career because of his knees. I also think we need to see RG3 become more of a pocket passer and get down the nuances of the passing game. I think Luck has that part of the game down already where RG3 needs to get there. I think RG3 really takes that step next year, with hopefully a full off season where he's not doing any rehab.

They weren't a 2 win team the year before with even average qb play.

Separately, why is completion % over-rated? I get that if you are just completing short passes, then the higher number is expected, but certainly, if you take these numbers:

Comp% 65.6 Romo
Yds 4,903
TD 28
INT 19
Rating 90.5

54.1 Luck
4,374
23
18
76.5

56.7 Sanchez
3,474
26
18
78.2

65.6 Griffen
3,200
20
5
102.4

And pulled the exceptional qb out, it wouldn't be Luck's. The passers names are in white font by the completion %

[CRedskinsRule]

Minus the 1st td (which was like 6 yds behind his receiver) his stat line tonight was 8 of 13, 80 yds 1td 1 int(if the defender made that easy pick) that's about what I expect from him, and that's not "ridiculously good"

[JoeRedskin]

I guess I think he will be better than middle of the pack, but I agree he is not "ridiculously good" and I don't think he ever will be.

[skinsfaninok]

Just wait until this season man. Him and Griffin won't lose a step, both are great players

[CRedskinsRule]

For anyone who didn't see Luck/RWayne's first TD last night:



Amazing ball-eye-hand coordination by RWayne. CB must have been in disbelief when he heard them say TD.

[skinsfaninok]

crazy

[53Fan]

Great play by Wayne. He looked like he knew exactly what he was doing when he tipped that ball. Excellent!

[skinsfaninok]

Wayne has always been great, imo he's better than Harrison was

[skinsfaninok]

von miller suspended 6 games according to espn

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

von miller suspended 6 games according to espn

I wonder how they came up w/ 6 games instead of 4??? That really hurts Denver..

[donofriose]

I personally believe the only valid reason some one would be willing to Luck over RG3 is durability. That knee is a concern and will be until he plays a couple of full seasons in a row. Other than that, there was nothing in college or in the pros that tells me Luck does something or anything better than RG3. That is just my opinion though.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by donofriose

I personally believe the only valid reason some one would be willing to Luck over RG3 is durability. That knee is a concern and will be until he plays a couple of full seasons in a row. Other than that, there was nothing in college or in the pros that tells me Luck does something or anything better than RG3. That is just my opinion though.

I agree.

They're both stars in the making. If someone wants to knock RG3 for the knee issue, ok. Other than that they're both top notch talents.