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07-22-2013, 11:54 AM
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Re: ESPN Unveils 2013 Jaws’ QB Countdown List
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07-22-2013, 12:03 PM
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I'm all about SBs but remember Trent Dilfer, Jeff Hostetler, etc have won super bowls. I agree that ELI is a top 10 QB as I've said before but I don't consider him in the Brady or PM class because those guys give u the same great play week in and out. Both never miss the playoffs and both are always high TD/INT ratio
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07-22-2013, 12:46 PM
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Brady no question , Eli's play off record is better then Peytons that why I put Eli ahead of Peyton.
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07-22-2013, 12:54 PM
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Peyton will go down as a top 5 QB of all time. Eli will always be the lil brother who played with the better defense. Sorry bud.
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07-22-2013, 06:37 PM
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I looked at giantone's post above and wondered, how can he rate Brady so high but not Peyton? At first I thought, well he's just "taking shots" at Peyton's playoff record to pump up Eli. But then I saw your post about "better defense". Both Brady and Peyton have established themselves as elite, all-time-great QBs by their body of work throughout their careers. (Brees elite also, Rivers to a lesser extent, Eli simply hasn't.) But Brady didn't win Superbowls by playing the best of his career, he won early in his career when the Pats had an excellent defense! Well, look at how the giants won SBs. So OF COURSE giantone loves Brady, and tries to make Eli out to be like him, while downplaying Peyton, Marino, Rivers. Guys who built a much better career individually but didn't have luck to have the defense that Brady and Eli's teams had. At least that much makes sense now! Thanks! Last edited by HailGreen28; 07-22-2013 at 06:44 PM. |
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07-23-2013, 04:34 AM
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07-22-2013, 06:18 PM
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Pop quiz for you giantone: Out of the QBs mentioned in this thread, which QB led the league in interceptions for a season TWICE. Go on, take a guess.  Bonus hint: His career stats are inferior to Philip Rivers in just about every way.
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07-23-2013, 04:32 AM
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Same one that got his second Super bowl MVP award a few years ago . If you're going to do the pop quiz thing , do it on a stat that I didn't post already. 
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07-23-2013, 06:40 AM
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07-23-2013, 06:48 AM
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if they just play well. So giantone, do you consider Joe Flacco elite? If not, explain. Re. INTs: And yet you still need reminders how unreliable, how streaky Eli is. Another reason Eli is not elite. Oh, and nothing to say about how Rivers career stats are better than Eli's in just about every way?
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07-23-2013, 07:19 PM
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07-23-2013, 07:36 PM
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SB wins are more about the team. Look at Brady's stats. His stats when he was winning 3 SB's arent that impressive. His stats the last 5 years blow them all away. It doesnt mean that Brady has regressed, he has actually gotten better, it means the Pats defense is what has regressed. Trent Dilfer has proven that average to below average QB's can win SB's as long as they have an impressive defense to go with it. That doesnt mean Dilfer is one of the all time greats, it means the defense he played with was. But according to the standards you keep throwing out, the Ravens defense doesnt matter and Dilfer is an all time great. According to your standards, Coaches dont make a difference, GM's dont make a difference, Defenses dont make a difference, Offensive Lines dont make a difference. Because if they do, then its not just the QB that matters. Look at Rothlisbergers SB stats, they really arent that impressive. One of their SB's victories with him, he did everything he could to cost them the game and their defense saved him time and time again. They won because of their defense, not because of Big Ben. The Giants defense played a huge role in their SB victories. |
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07-23-2013, 08:24 PM
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Re: ESPN Unveils 2013 Jaws’ QB Countdown List
[QUOTE=Giantone;1016374]How are Rivers super bowl stats? oops ...never mind.[/QUOTEte]
Heck, if you asked him even Archie would rank Peyton ahead of Eli as a pro QB. Anyone that believes Eli is a better QB than Peyton or Drew Brees for example is just wrong. Simple fact is that he's just not good enough, and the stats (and simple visual evidence) prove it. Doesn't mean he's not a very good QB, but he's just not among the elite... Take off your Giant homer glasses and stop trying to make this foolish argument. Or, as I suggested earlier, take it to your brethren on the Giants board who will shower you with love and affection. But please, stop polluting this discussion about Jaws' QB rankings with this nonsense. |
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07-23-2013, 08:31 PM
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Have a link to that ? My responses are to the ridiculous assertions made by HG28 .To not count Eli in the top 5 or 6 is and error.
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