Darrell Green does not support Redskin name change

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Actually it would be roughly $20-25 million per the latest estimates. And the Redskins would have to incur all of that cost. They split merchandise revenue with the rest of the NFL teams. That revenue is I believe in the mid to high 30s. So it's not boat loads of money they'd making when you think about it

i the Oneida nation wants it changed . . . they they should be willing to pay for the change . . .

[irish]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Actually it would be roughly $20-25 million per the latest estimates. And the Redskins would have to incur all of that cost. They split merchandise revenue with the rest of the NFL teams. That revenue is I believe in the mid to high 30s. So it's not boat loads of money they'd making when you think about it

What I think you arent considering is the fact that as this saga goes on the Skins will experience diminishing returns on their name and merchandise as people and companies beging to stay away from associating with an organization who's identity appears to support a racist and bigoted slur. (personally I dont think that but the perception is growing that is what the name is)

There will be upfront costs in the name change and I doubt the Skins will have to eat all the costs on this, but the long range returns will be greater as the Washington whatevers compared to the Washington Redskins.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by irish

DS and the NFL will make a ton of money from this name change and that will be the the reason for the change not because they think the name is a slur. These kinds of releases are put out to make it look like DS is fighting the good fight to keep the Redskins name. In the end $ will win the day.

How would changing your brand that is already well marketed and established world wide for decades going to make you a ton of money?

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by punch it in

How would changing your brand that is already well marketed and established world wide for decades going to make you a ton of money?

Needless to say you are losing the best rivalry in the NFL, anthem, band and fans.

[irish]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Needless to say you are losing the best rivalry in the NFL, anthem, band and fans.

How? They will still play the Cowboys, they will rewrite the song, and the fans while angry for awhile will still be fans.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by irish

How? They will still play the Cowboys, they will rewrite the song, and the fans while angry for awhile will still be fans.

You are being very very sarcastic rite??

[MTK]

irish I think you're really oversimplifying things here. And you're underestimating what it means to change the identity of an organization.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

irish I think you're really oversimplifying things here. And you're underestimating what it means to change the identity of an organization.

I dont think I am. If anything I think you are making this a bigger issue than it is. I lived in DC when the Bullets changed to Wizards and nothing changed. Same lousy team, same rivalries, same fans. If anything I think its easier for the team to maintain its identity since they are staying in Washington. I can see moving from Houston to Nashville creating an identity issue but going from Washington Redskins to Washington whatevers, not so much.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by irish

I dont think I am. If anything I think you are making this a bigger issue than it is. I lived in DC when the Bullets changed to Wizards and nothing changed. Same lousy team, same rivalries, same fans. If anything I think its easier for the team to maintain its identity since they are staying in Washington. I can see moving from Houston to Nashville creating an identity issue but going from Washington Redskins to Washington whatevers, not so much.

Exactly!! The Bullets. The Redskins are no Bullets, never will.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by irish

I dont think I am. If anything I think you are making this a bigger issue than it is. I lived in DC when the Bullets changed to Wizards and nothing changed. Same lousy team, same rivalries, same fans. If anything I think its easier for the team to maintain its identity since they are staying in Washington. I can see moving from Houston to Nashville creating an identity issue but going from Washington Redskins to Washington whatevers, not so much.

I think that might be true for people who live in DC and the surrounding areas.... but right or wrong, if you're an out of town Redskins fan and they completely change the identity of the organization, I don't know if you're 100% a shoe in to stick around after.

I think its going to be very critical what they change to.

Not that this would happen, but if they wen't from the Redskins to say the Kings or something and completely changed everything, I could see some people who don't live in the DMV area switching allegiances to maybe their local team or taking a step back from football all together. Not saying its right/wrong but I think that's very realistic.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

I think that might be true for people who live in DC and the surrounding areas.... but right or wrong, if you're an out of town Redskins fan and they completely change the identity of the organization, I don't know if you're 100% a shoe in to stick around after.

I think its going to be very critical what they change to.

Not that this would happen, but if they wen't from the Redskins to say the Kings or something and completely changed everything, I could see some people who don't live in the DMV area switching allegiances to maybe their local team or taking a step back from football all together. Not saying its right/wrong but I think that's very realistic.

Heck, in town Skins fans have switched to Balt because the Skins have been so irrelevant for so long. People will stay or go based on winning and losing not a name.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

I think that might be true for people who live in DC and the surrounding areas.... but right or wrong, if you're an out of town Redskins fan and they completely change the identity of the organization, I don't know if you're 100% a shoe in to stick around after.

I think its going to be very critical what they change to.

Not that this would happen, but if they wen't from the Redskins to say the Kings or something and completely changed everything, I could see some people who don't live in the DMV area switching allegiances to maybe their local team or taking a step back from football all together. Not saying its right/wrong but I think that's very realistic.

As an out of town fan myself if they changed the name, logo, and colors, I'd be inclined to say what am I even rooting for anymore? It's not the team I grew up with.

If they made a change to the name and kept the same colors and maybe used a throwback uni or something that at least kept with the history of the team, I think I'd be alright with it.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

As an out of town fan myself if they changed the name, logo, and colors, I'd be inclined to say what am I even rooting for anymore? It's not the team I grew up with.

If they made a change to the name and kept the same colors and maybe used a throwback uni or something that at least kept with the history of the team, I think I'd be alright with it.

How isnt it the team you grew up with? If they changed name, logo, and colors for next year how isnt it the same team you are rooting for this year?

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

I think that might be true for people who live in DC and the surrounding areas.... but right or wrong, if you're an out of town Redskins fan and they completely change the identity of the organization, I don't know if you're 100% a shoe in to stick around after.

I think its going to be very critical what they change to.

Not that this would happen, but if they wen't from the Redskins to say the Kings or something and completely changed everything, I could see some people who don't live in the DMV area switching allegiances to maybe their local team or taking a step back from football all together. Not saying its right/wrong but I think that's very realistic.

Exactly how I feel.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

I think that might be true for people who live in DC and the surrounding areas.... but right or wrong, if you're an out of town Redskins fan and they completely change the identity of the organization, I don't know if you're 100% a shoe in to stick around after.

I think its going to be very critical what they change to.

Not that this would happen, but if they wen't from the Redskins to say the Kings or something and completely changed everything, I could see some people who don't live in the DMV area switching allegiances to maybe their local team or taking a step back from football all together. Not saying its right/wrong but I think that's very realistic.

BITD before Carolina, Tennessee, etc, the Skins were the only act around in the NE and East, North of FL. Many of those people remain fans today but the wholesale change will likely take care of all that.........