Darrell Green does not support Redskin name change

[punch it in]

I do not think the logo is what this group finds offensive. I know the colors have nothing to do with it either. Imagine as a white person or a black person or an asian person....a team with a face from your origin....George Washington looking dude or MLK as the emblem - no problem. The nickname however is the "honkeys" or the "n&@ers"? - problem. Obviously those slang references are alot more volatile because of modern day society and racism for the most part has drawn away from the native americans and what happened to them hundreds of years ago. This particular group and handfuls of others consider redskins a slang term. Again - what if it was the palefaces or yellowskins or darkskins? I guess the real crux of the matter is how do you feel about those names? If they offend you as a white, black, or asian person than How do you justify Redskins?

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I do not think the logo is what this group finds offensive. I know the colors have nothing to do with it either. Imagine as a white person or a black person or an asian person....a team with a face from your origin....George Washington looking dude or MLK as the emblem - no problem. The nickname however is the "honkeys" or the "n&@ers"? - problem. Obviously those slang references are alot more volatile because of modern day society and racism for the most part has drawn away from the native americans and what happened to them hundreds of years ago. This particular group and handfuls of others consider redskins a slang term. Again - what if it was the palefaces or yellowskins or darkskins? I guess the real crux of the matter is how do you feel about those names? If they offend you as a white, black, or asian person than How do you justify Redskins?

Perhaps your example names are different and not as "offensive" as the name Redskins, but if there were a team with the name "Palefaces" or "Yellowskins", I wouldn't give a rat's a**. It wouldn't offend me in the least.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

EXACTLY! That's why I roll my eyes every time I hear someone say "change the nickname but keep the logo." Do you all really think they would accept that?!?!
The people who are against it don't just find the name "Redskins" offensive, they find any use of Native American imagery or stereotyping (ie the Indian's logo or the tomahawk chop) offensive. As BaltimoreSkins said, they find the term Redskins to be the most offensive of the bunch so they are going after that first and then hoping it cause a domino effect and everything else will change.

So they find the framed picture of medicine crow in my living room offensive? I disagree entirely. I think the name "Redskins" has everything to do with this. I would understand your point if we were talking about nazi germany. How any reference or imagery of nazi-ism could be seen as offensive, but this is completely different. There is absolutely nobody up in arms about the use of native american imagery? Hell you can go to any reservation or any part of the country with a native american presence and buy native american art, imagery, head dresses, statues, etc etc etc. from native americans.

[JPPT1974]

Really the name change you can change it no matter what. Despite the controversy, it will still remain Redskins. That is if you can come up with a creative name!

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I just find it interesting that the richest Native American tribe in the country is on this warpath (pun intended) to rid the country of "racial epitaphs" in the name of everything good and moral, but see no wrong in making their millions off of people's gambling addictions. They should definitely do the right thing and close all of their casinos.

So unless they put up with racial slurs (if you feel Redskins to be one is another story), they cannot capitalize on gambling like white americans do?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

So unless they put up with racial slurs (if you feel Redskins to be one is another story), they cannot capitalize on gambling like white americans do?

but im offended by gambling

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by punch it in

So unless they put up with racial slurs (if you feel Redskins to be one is another story), they cannot capitalize on gambling like white americans do?

Are you assuming I'm not offended also by white Americans owning casinos? If so, that's a pretty racist and ridiculous thing to say.

I'm saying I think it's a contradiction to championing this Redskins thing - which is questionable at best all the while continuing to make fortunes from those with gambling addictions.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Perhaps your example names are different and not as "offensive" as the name Redskins, but if there were a team with the name "Palefaces" or "Yellowskins", I wouldn't give a rat's a**. It wouldn't offend me in the least.

Im just putting it out there - not saying im offended either. An asian person might be offended by a team called the yellowskins with a picture of an asian person on the helmet was my point. As for palefaces, well i just wanted to say palefaces.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Im just putting it out there - not saying im offended either. An asian person might be offended by a team called the yellowskins with a picture of an asian person on the helmet was my point. As for palefaces, well i just wanted to say palefaces.

I wish people would stop trying to find equivalents, because there are none:

1) Yellowskins is not a word that Asians created to describe themselves
2) There are exactly zero High Schools with a significant Asian enrollment that call themselves the Yellowskins. There are zero High Schools, period.
3) A professional sports team called the Yellowskins would not have an Asian face as a logo that was provided to the team by prominent members of the Asian American community.
4) a team called the Yellowskins would not have survived 80 plus years to become one of the most valuable sports franchises in the world.
5) a significant number of Asian Americans would NOT defend the use of the name.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Are you assuming I'm not offended also by white Americans owning casinos? If so, that's a pretty racist and ridiculous thing to say.

I'm saying I think it's a contradiction to championing this Redskins thing - which is questionable at best all the while continuing to make fortunes from those with gambling addictions.

Not assuming that at all but you did clearly state that "they" should shutdown "their" casinos. If you are making the point that there are greater problems in the world well than me and you are on the exact same page. Did not mean to insinuate anything.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Not assuming that at all but you did clearly state that "they" should shutdown "their" casinos. If you are making the point that there are greater problems in the world well than me and you are on the exact same page. Did not mean to insinuate anything.

I said that (the shutting the casinos thing) in jest. If we're talking about shutting out and shutting down anything and everything that can be offensive then then this tribe should take a long hard look at themselves. It is proven fact that gambling has ruined families and cost lives. It's not a proven fact that the term Redskin is a racial slur. Some believe it is and some believe it is not. It's origin does not point to the use in a derogatory manner and there is documentation To back that up. When the Native. Americans themselves are not in agreement about it being a racial slur then I call BS on the whole thing. It is all a money grab by the Oneita Tribe and you guys will discover this when it's all said and done.

[DynamiteRave]

Didn't someone say Redskins wasn't about Indians actual skin color, but the red war paint they used? I dunno. I just don't see Redskins as derogatory and I'm a minority.

Although... I did find Redskin in the racial slur database...

The Racial Slur Database

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Didn't someone say Redskins wasn't about Indians actual skin color, but the red war paint they used? I dunno. I just don't see Redskins as derogatory and I'm a minority.

Although... I did find Redskin in the racial slur database...

The Racial Slur Database

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redskin_(slang)

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Didn't someone say Redskins wasn't about Indians actual skin color, but the red war paint they used? I dunno. I just don't see Redskins as derogatory and I'm a minority.

Although... I did find Redskin in the racial slur database...

The Racial Slur Database

It is definitely about skin color.....

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by punch it in

It is definitely about skin color.....

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