Around the NFL 2013 Offseason (Episode 99)

[MTK]

Not sure what else Flacco needs to do at this point. He's pretty damn proven to me.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Not sure what else Flacco needs to do at this point. He's pretty damn proven to me.

Not in the regular season he isn't.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Not in the regular season he isn't.

So playoffs every season isn't proven?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

So playoffs every season isn't proven?

Well, I guess Sanchez was a proven QB eh? Will you be saying the same thing once Flacco starts missing the playoffs?

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Well, I guess Sanchez was a proven QB eh? Will you be saying the same thing once Flacco starts missing the playoffs?

Come on NC you know comparing Sanchez to Flacco is not even comparable. The Jets really made those two playoff runs despite Sanchez.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Come on NC you know comparing Sanchez to Flacco is not even comparable. The Jets really made those two playoff runs despite Sanchez.

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Joe Flacco is now 7-4 in the postseason with five road wins, tied for all-time best with Eli Manning and Roger Staubach. In his past six playoff games (four on the road) he has thrown 12 touchdown passes to just two interceptions.
Comparing to Sanchez is crazy.

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What is your deal with Joe Flacco? He's started every game for the Ravens since being drafted and they've been a playoff team every single year he's taken over. He brings stability and he can make all the throws. Sanchez is not in the same league as Flacco, and I don't care what the stats say. He doesn't play in a wide open offense so his stats probably will never be great. But he's a pretty damn good Qb.

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Granted, I realize he's a much better QB than Sanchez in the regular season, just will people be saying the same once they stop missing the playoffs?

I think you all missed exactly what I said. Othewise, you wouldn't be saying anything about comparing Flacco with Sanchez. I think I acknowledged Flacco is a much better QB. However, hist stats are average at best in the regular season, and YOU all keep harping about the post season. There is more to the game than just the post season. I understand many of you put a heavy weight on it, but it's laughable to do so. See Giantone's Eli is better than Peyton statement for a good example.

Mark Sanchez Playoffs Game Log - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Is this guy a good QB because his record is great in the playoffs and so are his stats? Hardly.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Not in the regular season he isn't.

He plays his best ball in the playoffs and that's a bad thing?

His regular season stats are more than solid enough to me, especially with a back like Rice in the backfield.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

He plays his best ball in the playoffs and that's a bad thing?

His regular season stats are more than solid enough to me, especially with a back like Rice in the backfield.

Like I said, so did Sanchez. What are we going to be saying when his regular season stats aren't good enough to carry the team into the playoffs? I suspect that'll be happening this year.


Granted, I realize he's a much better QB than Sanchez in the regular season, just will people be saying the same once they stop missing the playoffs?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Like I said, so did Sanchez. What are we going to be saying when his regular season stats aren't good enough to carry the team into the playoffs? I suspect that'll be happening this year.


Granted, I realize he's a much better QB than Sanchez in the regular season, just will people be saying the same once they stop missing the playoffs?

Sanchez was never very good to begin with, Flacco has been very solid in the regular season and great in the playoffs. Not sure I really understand the comparison. Don't you think 5 playoff appearances in a row and a SB win buys Flacco some credit for a while? What else does the guy have to do?

I think most fans would be elated if Griffin puts up a similar run.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Sanchez was never very good to begin with, Flacco has been very solid in the regular season and great in the playoffs. Not sure I really understand the comparison. Don't you think 5 playoff appearances in a row and a SB win buys Flacco some credit for a while? What else does the guy have to do?

I think most fans would be elated if Griffin puts up a similar run.

Not if he plays like Flacco. I think saying he played "great" is over-stating it. I really don't think he Is special. He certainly hasn't shown anything to make me think he can carry an offense like Rodgers/Manning/Brady/Brees/Rothlisberger. I distinctly remember having serious discussions around new years about how Flacco might not be the answer at QB for them. They believed it. He's played ok to good in general and got hot in the playoffs. That's it. He does int more and I'll change my tune.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Not if he plays like Flacco. I think saying he played "great" is over-stating it. I really don't think he Is special. He certainly hasn't shown anything to make me think he can carry an offense like Rodgers/Manning/Brady/Brees/Rothlisberger. I distinctly remember having serious discussions around new years about how Flacco might not be the answer at QB for them. They believed it. He's played ok to good in general and got hot in the playoffs. That's it. He does int more and I'll change my tune.

Fans would really have a problem with Griffin putting up 3600-3800 yards passing and 20-25 TDs a year?

Man, tough crowd.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Like I said, so did Sanchez. What are we going to be saying when his regular season stats aren't good enough to carry the team into the playoffs? I suspect that'll be happening this year.


Granted, I realize he's a much better QB than Sanchez in the regular season, just will people be saying the same once they stop missing the playoffs?

What is your deal with Joe Flacco? He's started every game for the Ravens since being drafted and they've been a playoff team every single year he's taken over. He brings stability and he can make all the throws. Sanchez is not in the same league as Flacco, and I don't care what the stats say. He doesn't play in a wide open offense so his stats probably will never be great. But he's a pretty damn good Qb.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Like I said, so did Sanchez. What are we going to be saying when his regular season stats aren't good enough to carry the team into the playoffs? I suspect that'll be happening this year.


Granted, I realize he's a much better QB than Sanchez in the regular season, just will people be saying the same once they stop missing the playoffs?

Do you think this year will mark a run of endless playoff-less seasons for Flacco and the Ravens?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Do you think this year will mark a run of endless playoff-less seasons for Flacco and the Ravens?

I think they miss the playoffs this year. I thought last year was the last year of their window to consistently contend for a championship. They almost blew it getting into the playoffs. A run of missed playoffs? I think that depends on how well they draft the next year or so. Their defense is nothing like it used to be, and Flacco is really too inconsistent to carry the team. One minute, the guy looks like he's a elite QB in the league, the next minute he's blowing it against a shitty team like the Jaguars. Way too inconsistent for my liking, and losing talent isn't going to help them any. The one thing that helps them is that Pittsburgh is on its way down as well, and the Browns are.....the Browns.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I think they miss the playoffs this year. A run of missed playoffs? I think that depends on how well they draft the next year or so. Their defense is nothing like it used to be, and Flacco is really too inconsistent to carry the team. One minute, the guy looks like he's a elite QB in the league, the next minute he's blowing it against a shitty team like the Jaguars. Way too inconsistent for my liking, and losing talent isn't going to help them any. The one thing that helps them is that Pittsburgh is on its way down as well, and the Browns are.....the Browns.

You're doubting one of the best run franchises in the NFL. And IMO, they got better on Defense. Ed Reed isn't the same disruptive force he used to be. Matt Elam is a rookie but I thought he was hands down the best safety in the draft. I think he'll be as good, if not better, than Ed Reed was last year. MLB, yeah they lost Ray Lewis, but he had strictly become the voice of the team as opposed to the great player (and voice) he used to be (aka he slowed down and showed his age and became a liability in coverage, also got injured more). So they replaced him with young Fast and great coverage man Arthur Brown. On the field, they upgraded that position. Off the field, they didn't upgrade, but honestly no one would be an upgrade over Ray. And they got Ladarius Webb (who is a top 3 CB in the NFL when healthy) back from injury. They replaced Bernard Pollard with Michael Huff who is much better in coverage than Pollard was (injuring patriots though, he is not as good as him in that category).

And I haven't even mentioned that they got Dumervil to rush the passer, who right now, is a better pass rusher than Suggs, Upshaw, and the prior starter Paul Kruger.

I can see why you doubt Flacco for losing to a team like the Jaguars (whom they lost to 2 years ago not last year; you're probably thinking of the Chiefs game which they won 9-6), but even the elite QBs will get tested by very bad, losing teams. Hell Tom Brady got beat by Arizona ( and tested by Jacksonville last year; ditto Aaron Rodgers who got out played by Blaine Gabbert), and Drew Brees got beat by the Chiefs. I'd consider all those QBs elite.

They'll always have tough games against the Steelers, because that is their Redskins-Cowboys rivalry (no matter how good or bad the teams are, they always play each other close), and the Bengals are a very good team on the rise, but the Ravens are still the best team in the division with all their recent addtions and subtractions they've had. Sure they've lost Boldin--its a big loss-- but they draft well. One of their guys will step up. Sure they've lost Pitta for the year, but people don't realize that he and Ed Dickson would go back and forth in terms of starting; and Dickson is more atheltic than Pitta. They're OL will be better and they have a 1-2 punch in the ground game with Pierce and Rice.