Who are your starting Safeties

[warriorzpath]

Tackling. It's football basics! You can't have a player that you know that can't do it.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Tackling. It's football basics! You can't have a player that you know that can't do it.

Madieu Williams and Doughty tackled last year. So teams passed over the top of them. Tackling 101 didnt seem to make much difference. This isnt early 1900's football where every play was a run. You have no choice but to defend the pass in this era.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Madieu Williams and Doughty tackled last year. So teams passed over the top of them. Tackling 101 didnt seem to make much difference. This isnt early 1900's football where every play was a run. You have no choice but to defend the pass in this era.

You do get that throwing over the top of the safeties without the need for tackling is not real. Don't you?

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

You do get that throwing over the top of the safeties without the need for tackling is not real. Don't you?

Ask Victor Cruz and the Giants from the first game last year. Or the Bengals. Or most other teams we played. When receivers are running away from you after beating you deep, whats it matter if they play the run well or tackle well. M. Williams actually tackled when he got there, he just rarely got there to actually use that ability.

The two plays you keep referencing about Rambo were runs where he had to come up from center field and got juked. We havent seen him being burned like our safeties were last year. If he can cover and break up passes in the passing game, then he is doing a better job as a free safety than we had last year.

Like I have already said, if Gomes is better then he should play. But since free safety has pass responsibilities, it appears the coaches believe Rambo to be the better free safety.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Madieu Williams and Doughty tackled last year. So teams passed over the top of them. Tackling 101 didnt seem to make much difference. This isnt early 1900's football where every play was a run. You have no choice but to defend the pass in this era.

...and we won the NFC East title for the first time in forever and made the playoffs. Rule #1 in good sound defense, control the line of scrimmage and stop the run. The rest is important as well, but if you do not stop the run you will not make the playoffs and you are playing for next year. We had one of the worst pass defenses last seson and still made the playoffs.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

...and we won the NFC East title for the first time in forever and made the playoffs. Rule #1 in good sound defense, control the line of scrimmage and stop the run. The rest is important as well, but if you do not stop the run you will not make the playoffs and you are playing for next year. We had one of the worst pass defenses last seson and still made the playoffs.

Because RG3 and Alfred Morris had absolutely nothing to do with that. It was all Doughty and Madieu Williams, without those 2 at safety, we win 3 games...

We won the NFC East due to our offense, not our horribly ranked defense. We won in spite of being one of the worst defenses in the league.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Because RG3 and Alfred Morris had absolutely nothing to do with that. It was all Doughty and Madieu Williams, without those 2 at safety, we win 3 games...

We won the NFC East due to our offense, not our horribly ranked defense. We won in spite of being one of the worst defenses in the league.

Take a look at the teams that make the playoffs and the ones that don't. The teams that can stop the run and can run the ball on offense (Ravens, 49ers, Seattle, Redskins,etc) make more times than not. You can listen to the fantasy football geeks and people that sell the game all you want that say the "NFL is a passing league". But high passing teams (Brady, Manning and Rogers) were watching the Superbowl while the balanced teams that ran the ball 49ers and Ravens played in it.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

...and we won the NFC East title for the first time in forever and made the playoffs. Rule #1 in good sound defense, control the line of scrimmage and stop the run. The rest is important as well, but if you do not stop the run you will not make the playoffs and you are playing for next year. We had one of the worst pass defenses last seson and still made the playoffs.

Im still old school and agree with this. +1

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Tackling. It's football basics! You can't have a player that you know that can't do it.

Has he had alot of missed tackles so far in game action? Ive really seen his weakness has been the bad angles. Tackling I havent seen him miss one off the top of my head. But you realize across the league tackling has been pretty poor in games because they usually dont hit and tackle in training camp.

Im not freakin out, like I said before Im sure there is a plan

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Has he had alot of missed tackles so far in game action? Ive really seen his weakness has been the bad angles. Tackling I havent seen him miss one off the top of my head. But you realize across the league tackling has been pretty poor in games because they usually dont hit and tackle in training camp.

Im not freakin out, like I said before Im sure there is a plan

Missed tackles- it happens. It's the way Rambo has missed them 2 games in a row. Against Vick or McCoy, this will be just as bad.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Missed tackles- it happens. It's the way Rambo has missed them 2 games in a row. Against Vick or McCoy, this will be just as bad.

What safety do we have that will consistently come from 20 yards away and make every tackle against Vick or McCoy?

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

What safety do we have that will consistently come from 20 yards away and make every tackle against Vick or McCoy?

Let me get this right. It's okay with you that Rambo has this issue with tackling in space. It's okay to ignore if he's still having this problem and he starts in the eagles game.

Talking about everyone and everything else except his issue is just plain denial. He NEEDS to fix this problem. I wouldn't let a safety in youth rec football play with that problem. The risk of him giving up a big play or touchdown in the situation outweighs everything else that he possibly can contribute - and since he's a rookie, we don't know what he can provide consistently. And it's assumed that he will make other mistakes, which I might be okay with other than this. It's too big to just ignore.

[Skinzman]

Just to add, when you go by total rushing yards against. Which is what is used to rank teams. The two best teams against the run were Tampa Bay and Pittsburgh. Two teams that didnt make the playoffs. Baltimore was 20th against the run.

[SirLK26]

Part of the reason we were even average against the run was because teams didn't bother to run. They knew they could beat us through the air. I'm with Skinzman; Rambo is the best option and should start. He might get beat by Vick or McCoy a few times, but we can't pull him out of the Eagles' game and deny him valuable experience just so we win the game.

Edit: warriorzpath, Rambo is a rookie. As in, he has never played in an NFL regular season game. Give him time to develop; he's going to need more than just a couple games to improve.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Part of the reason we were even average against the run was because teams didn't bother to run. They knew they could beat us through the air. I'm with Skinzman; Rambo is the best option and should start. He might get beat by Vick or McCoy a few times, but we can't pull him out of the Eagles' game and deny him valuable experience just so we win the game.

Experience be damned if it means for a greater chance to lose. Maybe this is the disconnect- I'm thinking that winning is the priority.