Around the NFL 2013 Offseason (Episode 99)

[skinsfaninok]

von miller suspended 6 games according to espn

[donofriose]

I personally believe the only valid reason some one would be willing to Luck over RG3 is durability. That knee is a concern and will be until he plays a couple of full seasons in a row. Other than that, there was nothing in college or in the pros that tells me Luck does something or anything better than RG3. That is just my opinion though.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by donofriose

I personally believe the only valid reason some one would be willing to Luck over RG3 is durability. That knee is a concern and will be until he plays a couple of full seasons in a row. Other than that, there was nothing in college or in the pros that tells me Luck does something or anything better than RG3. That is just my opinion though.

I agree.

They're both stars in the making. If someone wants to knock RG3 for the knee issue, ok. Other than that they're both top notch talents.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

von miller suspended 6 games according to espn

I wonder how they came up w/ 6 games instead of 4??? That really hurts Denver..

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The most overrated stat in football is completion %. I pay little attention to that. The minute Luck walked on the field for Indy they were no longer a 2 win team. That's what kind of player he is, regardless of completion %. Same w/ RG3 but that's mainly because of his threat to run. Right now, w/out question I take Luck over RG3. We don't know if RG3 can make it 16 games, or have any type of career because of his knees. I also think we need to see RG3 become more of a pocket passer and get down the nuances of the passing game. I think Luck has that part of the game down already where RG3 needs to get there. I think RG3 really takes that step next year, with hopefully a full off season where he's not doing any rehab.

They weren't a 2 win team the year before with even average qb play.

Separately, why is completion % over-rated? I get that if you are just completing short passes, then the higher number is expected, but certainly, if you take these numbers:

Comp% 65.6 Romo
Yds 4,903
TD 28
INT 19
Rating 90.5

54.1 Luck
4,374
23
18
76.5

56.7 Sanchez
3,474
26
18
78.2

65.6 Griffen
3,200
20
5
102.4

And pulled the exceptional qb out, it wouldn't be Luck's. The passers names are in white font by the completion %

[Skinzman]

I have seen that 2 win argument all to much. Look at it this way. We signed Garcon to be our number 1, who was a number 2 on that 2 win team. He was injured for half the season and played the other half still injured. So RG3 had, at best, a number 3 receiver from that 2 win team as his best receiver for half the season, and an injured number 2 for the other half from that 2 win team. Once Fred went down with his achilles, no one should say that we had better TE's than that 2 win team.

If that 2 win argument holds water, then it was amateur hour for our receivers last year. Yet that is never taken into consideration when judging RG3 versus Luck. The only reason I take Garcon over Wayne now is the 7 or 8 year age difference between them. Reggie Wayne is an elite receiver imo, but probably wont be for much longer.

If i had to choose QB's for a team, I would choose Rex/Beck over the QB's from Indy when they won 2 games. The geriatric coming out of retirement Kerry Collins or the inept Curtis Painter. Even Sanchez looks like a superstar compared to those 2.

[mooby]

It's easy to call them a two win team without Luck when you forget they had a HOF qb with no capable backup that was out for the year. I think that year really showed how much Manning meant to the Colts, he carried that team for all those years and they never stood a chance when he had to sit out. But if they had a good backup plan in place I doubt they would only have won 2 games that year. Luck went to a good team, but that shouldn't take away any credit from Luck. Personally I think both Luck and RG3 are top notch talents, and I'm just happy to have one of them.

[Lotus]

The greatness of Curtis Painter gets no respect in this thread.

[Kindoy]

Jon Baldwin in SF could be interesting/scary

edit: 9ers traded AJ Jenkins to KC for Baldwin

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

They weren't a 2 win team the year before with even average qb play.

Separately, why is completion % over-rated? I get that if you are just completing short passes, then the higher number is expected, but certainly, if you take these numbers:

Comp% 65.6 Romo
Yds 4,903
TD 28
INT 19
Rating 90.5

54.1 Luck
4,374
23
18
76.5

56.7 Sanchez
3,474
26
18
78.2

65.6 Griffen
3,200
20
5
102.4

And pulled the exceptional qb out, it wouldn't be Luck's. The passers names are in white font by the completion %

Take a guy like Joe Flacco. He's never going to be a 67%-68% passer. Pretty good qb....right? Then you have a guy like Jason Campbell who had a high completion % but was the definition of average. I would never judge a qb with that stat. I look more for intangibles, pass per attempt, 3rd down conversions and td's vs int's.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Take a guy like Joe Flacco. He's never going to be a 67%-68% passer. Pretty good qb....right? Then you have a guy like Jason Campbell who had a high completion % but was the definition of average. I would never judge a qb with that stat. I look more for intangibles, pass per attempt, 3rd down conversions and td's vs int's.

That's a really important stat. RG3 excelled in that regard last season with an astounding 1 pass-per-attempt. Meanwhile, Jake Locker floundered, averaging just 1 pass-per-attempt; he's going to have to improve in that area.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

The greatness of Curtis Painter gets no respect in this thread.

[MTK]

Interesting that Griffin smoked everyone last year with 8.14 yards per attempt, nobody else was over 8, Luck was only 6.98. And of course he had that ridiculous 20-5 TD/INT mark.

[warriorzpath]

Von Miller is looking at a six game suspension. Guess which team gets to face him if/when he returns in the 7th game. Yup the skins.

[NC_Skins]

Murder weapon used in double killing allegedly linked to Aaron H - CBS 3 Springfield - WSHM