Who are your starting Safeties

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

What safety do we have that will consistently come from 20 yards away and make every tackle against Vick or McCoy?

Let me get this right. It's okay with you that Rambo has this issue with tackling in space. It's okay to ignore if he's still having this problem and he starts in the eagles game.

Talking about everyone and everything else except his issue is just plain denial. He NEEDS to fix this problem. I wouldn't let a safety in youth rec football play with that problem. The risk of him giving up a big play or touchdown in the situation outweighs everything else that he possibly can contribute - and since he's a rookie, we don't know what he can provide consistently. And it's assumed that he will make other mistakes, which I might be okay with other than this. It's too big to just ignore.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Let me get this right. It's okay with you that Rambo has this issue with tackling in space. It's okay to ignore if he's still having this problem and he starts in the eagles game.

Talking about everyone and everything else except his issue is just plain denial. He NEEDS to fix this problem. I wouldn't let a safety in youth rec football play with that problem. The risk of him giving up a big play or touchdown in the situation outweighs everything else that he possibly can contribute - and since he's a rookie, we don't know what he can provide consistently.

I have already said that if Gomes is better, that he should play over Rambo. I have also said that he clearly needs to work on his angles. But who is better on the team to play the position of free safety? The fact is, NFL coaches agree with me that playing the pass is important for a free safety. Otherwise we would just put a LB as a free safety if playing the run was the only thing they are responsible for.

What you dont seem to understand is that Gomes is not the second coming of Troy Polamalu. Nor is any of the other players that we have at free safety. If Rambo, for all of his deficiencies, is the best free safety on the team, then he should be the one playing.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

I have already said that if Gomes is better, that he should play over Rambo. I have also said that he clearly needs to work on his angles. But who is better on the team to play the position of free safety? The fact is, NFL coaches agree with me that playing the pass is important for a free safety. Otherwise we would just put a LB as a free safety if playing the run was the only thing they are responsible for.

What you dont seem to understand is that Gomes is not the second coming of Troy Polamalu. Nor is any of the other players that we have at free safety. If Rambo, for all of his deficiencies, is the best free safety on the team, then he should be the one playing.

Where in the hell did anyone, anywhere, come close to saying that Gomes is the second coming of Polamalu? You're the only one that even put them in the same sentence in the history of Gomes and Polamalu playing football. You are obviously delusional and in denial by even implying that I said something like that to bolster your argument.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Where in the hell did anyone, anywhere, come close to saying that Gomes is the second coming of Polamalu? You're the only one that even put them in the same sentence in the history of Gomes and Polamalu playing football. You are obviously delusional and in denial by even implying that I said something like that to bolster your argument.

I will ask this again for the third time. Who is better at free safety on this team? If they are better than Rambo, then by all means they should play over him.

Im pretty sure that if you ask any D Coord. in the league, they will not tell you that the main responsibility of the free safety is to stop the run.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

I will ask this again for the third time. Who is better at free safety on this team? If they are better than Rambo, then by all means they should play over him.

Im pretty sure that if you ask any D Coord. in the league, they will not tell you that the main responsibility of the free safety is to stop the run.

Let me say this for the UMPTEENTH time - he CAN'T play if he has this problem with the basics of tackling. Only IF he shows that he fixed this problem then that's when you put him into the discussion.

Have you seen a starting safety (free or otherwise) play in the NFL that consistently makes this mistake, have any kind of longevity? It's a secondary concern who plays in his place if he's making this mistake consistently, but he needs to be on the bench. He has 2 games to prove that he has fixed this problem, if not, and they start him (which I doubt), Vick and McCoy will eat him alive.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Let me say this for the UMPTEENTH time - he CAN'T play if he has this problem with the basics of tackling. Only IF he shows that he fixed this problem then that's when you put him into the discussion.

Have you seen a starting safety (free or otherwise) play in the NFL that consistently makes this mistake, have any kind of longevity? It's a secondary concern who plays in his place if he's making this mistake consistently, but he needs to be on the bench. He has 2 games to prove that he has fixed this problem, if not, and they start him (which I doubt), Vick and McCoy will eat him alive.

I remember during Sean Taylor's rookie year, he took bad angles trying to blow guys up. Not comparing Rambo to Taylor, but I think it's a technique thing that can be worked out.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Let me say this for the UMPTEENTH time - he CAN'T play if he has this problem with the basics of tackling. Only IF he shows that he fixed this problem then that's when you put him into the discussion.

Have you seen a starting safety (free or otherwise) play in the NFL that consistently makes this mistake, have any kind of longevity? It's a secondary concern who plays in his place if he's making this mistake consistently, but he needs to be on the bench. He has 2 games to prove that he has fixed this problem, if not, and they start him (which I doubt), Vick and McCoy will eat him alive.

You wont answer the question. Who is a better replacement? Gomes isnt the answer, and Doughty can in no way handle free safety. If he is the best player for the job, regardless of deficiencies, then he plays. And according to Shanny and Haslett, he is the best for the job right now.

Again... If we are relying on our free safety to stop the Eagles running game, we have already lost that game. If the free safety is who we are relying on to stop the run, then we need to put in a different MLB and move London to free safety.

As for free safeties having longevity, some free safeties made a name for themselves as a center fielder. Playing almost exclusively against the pass.

The problem with Rambo is taking angles in the open field. I agree thats a problem, but according to the coaches of the Redskins, he is the best suited for the job. Because they understand that for a free safety, the most important job is defending the passing game.

When we get that free safety who the coaches rate as better than Rambo, then Rambo will sit. I dont really care if he is sitting or not. I want the best player available at each position. And as of right now at the free safety spot, thats Rambo.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

You wont answer the question. Who is a better replacement? Gomes isnt the answer, and Doughty can in no way handle free safety. If he is the best player for the job, regardless of deficiencies, then he plays. And according to Shanny and Haslett, he is the best for the job right now.

Again... If we are relying on our free safety to stop the Eagles running game, we have already lost that game. If the free safety is who we are relying on to stop the run, then we need to put in a different MLB and move London to free safety.

As for free safeties having longevity, some free safeties made a name for themselves as a center fielder. Playing almost exclusively against the pass.

The problem with Rambo is taking angles in the open field. I agree thats a problem, but according to the coaches of the Redskins, he is the best suited for the job. Because they understand that for a free safety, the most important job is defending the passing game.

When we get that free safety who the coaches rate as better than Rambo, then Rambo will sit. I dont really care if he is sitting or not. I want the best player available at each position. And as of right now at the free safety spot, thats Rambo.

If he's still making this mistake, I'd think about playing him on obvious passing downs. I would start Reed Doughty at strong and Meriweather at free.

And I can't remember any safety making this mistake consistently in the NFL. Like I said before, one time (even for a long touchdown) you can chalk it up to being a rookie and a learning experience, but twice in his first 2 NFL game appearances is nothing to dismiss. It means that he didn't correct the problem and it wasn't a learning experience the first time around because he didn't learn.