Around the NFL 2013 Offseason (Episode 99)

[mooby]

Aaron Hernandez: How a Potential NFL Great Couldn't Escape a Life of Violence | Culture News | Rolling Stone

I'm looking forward to reading this story. As far as the drug allegations go, I wonder if widespread drug/ped abuse is possible in the NFL. It seems like we hear a lot about illegal substances being used but players not being caught. Also if the part about Urban Meyer is true, that will be disappointing. With all the stories that come out of the NCAA (most of them negative) you gotta wonder how much covering up goes on. It's pretty sad that football culture dictates programs put winning a championship and/or making money over everything else.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

Aaron Hernandez: How a Potential NFL Great Couldn't Escape a Life of Violence | Culture News | Rolling Stone

I'm looking forward to reading this story. As far as the drug allegations go, I wonder if widespread drug/ped abuse is possible in the NFL. It seems like we hear a lot about illegal substances being used but players not being caught. Also if the part about Urban Meyer is true, that will be disappointing. With all the stories that come out of the NCAA (most of them negative) you gotta wonder how much covering up goes on. It's pretty sad that football culture dictates programs put winning a championship and/or making money over everything else.

Looks like Rolling Stone is trying to sell magazines again...

First how are you almost cut when just got an extension, second Urban Meyer would not cover up a drive by shooting, just how ridiculous is that statement. I know Urban Meyer is a first class POS, but covering up a drive by? No.

Hernandez was a heavy user of angel dust? what? are they failed drug test or any evidence at all? And why angel dust, I mean ive know some people with substance abuse problems and they got help and got better. But ive never known anyone who said angel dust was their drug of choice. I could be believe maybe Hernandez experiemented, but a heavy user or addict to that? No way.

Rolling Stone needs to focus on music, they are really on a losing roll imo.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Looks like Rolling Stone is trying to sell magazines again...

First how are you almost cut when just got an extension, second Urban Meyer would not cover up a drive by shooting, just how ridiculous is that statement. I know Urban Meyer is a first class POS, but covering up a drive by? No.

Hernandez was a heavy user of angel dust? what? are they failed drug test or any evidence at all? And why angel dust, I mean ive know some people with substance abuse problems and they got help and got better. But ive never known anyone who said angel dust was their drug of choice. I could be believe maybe Hernandez experiemented, but a heavy user or addict to that? No way.

Rolling Stone needs to focus on music, they are really on a losing roll imo.

Considering the craziness of what we already know about the guy, I don't think anything is out of the question including him being on drugs or people covering up for him.

I mean shit, look at how deep the whole Penn St. deal went. Doesn't seem logical that something like that could happen but it did.

Rolling Stone has always focused on pop culture, social issues, politics, and of course music. They're not a one trick pony.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Looks like Rolling Stone is trying to sell magazines again...

First how are you almost cut when just got an extension, second Urban Meyer would not cover up a drive by shooting, just how ridiculous is that statement. I know Urban Meyer is a first class POS, but covering up a drive by? No.

Hernandez was a heavy user of angel dust? what? are they failed drug test or any evidence at all? And why angel dust, I mean ive know some people with substance abuse problems and they got help and got better. But ive never known anyone who said angel dust was their drug of choice. I could be believe maybe Hernandez experiemented, but a heavy user or addict to that? No way.

Rolling Stone needs to focus on music, they are really on a losing roll imo.

Really compelling counter arguments there Chico.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Really compelling counter arguments there Chico.

Not really a counter argument, rather an opinion about an explotive article to sell magazines.

Lets just hope RS presents some facts and evidence.Just not buying Hernandez was going to be cut, he was a heavy user of angel dust, or Urban Meyer covered up a drive by shooting. Are you?

You think we might have heard a little of something about any of this other than RS magazine. Who were the writers?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Not really a counter argument, rather an opinion about an explotive article to sell magazines.

Lets just hope RS presents some facts and evidence.Just not buying Hernandez was going to be cut, he was a heavy user of angel dust, or Urban Meyer covered up a drive by shooting. Are you?

You think we might have heard a little of something about any of this other than RS magazine. Who were the writers?

I haven't read the story yet. And being close to being cut does surprise me. But Urban Meyer covering up a drive by shooting? Yeah I could see that. I don't know him well enough to think he wouldn't. But I do know him well enough to know he, like many others, in his position blurs the lines between right and wrong. And after what the Baylor basketball coach did, anything is possible

Heavy user of angel dust? Why would I have reason to be skeptical?

But I get it. You have an ingrained skepticism about the media so you have your doubts there's any legitimacy to any of this

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I haven't read the story yet. And being close to being cut does surprise me. But Urban Meyer covering up a drive by shooting? Yeah I could see that. I don't know him well enough to think he wouldn't. But I do know him well enough to know he, like many others, in his position blurs the lines between right and wrong. And after what the Baylor basketball coach did, anything is possible

Heavy user of angel dust? Why would I have reason to be skeptical?

But I get it. You have an ingrained skepticism about the media so you have your doubts there's any legitimacy to any of this

Like I said, not a fan of Urban, but Im gonna give him the benefit. Covering up a drive by shooting, thats pretty low.

Heavy user of angel dust, its just that you typically dont find the a user abusing over and over consistently. You really dont want too. And its just the rarity of finding it. Ill be surprised, but hey get your sherm on.

No ingrained sketicism about the media, Im just considering all angles and see a motive for RS. I would again like to see who actually wrote it as well.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Not really a counter argument, rather an opinion about an explotive article to sell magazines.

Lets just hope RS presents some facts and evidence.Just not buying Hernandez was going to be cut, he was a heavy user of angel dust, or Urban Meyer covered up a drive by shooting. Are you?

You think we might have heard a little of something about any of this other than RS magazine. Who were the writers?

Well, RS is in the biz of selling magazines so...

Read the article for yourself and see what you think.

Aaron Hernandez: Patriots Tight End Violent Evolution | Rolling Stone

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Well, RS is in the biz of selling magazines so...

Read the article for yourself and see what you think.

Aaron Hernandez: Patriots Tight End Violent Evolution | Rolling Stone

Thats Matty, Ill read it tonight.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Looks like Rolling Stone is trying to sell magazines again...

First how are you almost cut when just got an extension, second Urban Meyer would not cover up a drive by shooting, just how ridiculous is that statement. I know Urban Meyer is a first class POS, but covering up a drive by? No.

Hernandez was a heavy user of angel dust? what? are they failed drug test or any evidence at all? And why angel dust, I mean ive know some people with substance abuse problems and they got help and got better. But ive never known anyone who said angel dust was their drug of choice. I could be believe maybe Hernandez experiemented, but a heavy user or addict to that? No way.

Rolling Stone needs to focus on music, they are really on a losing roll imo.

Idk, doesn't seem that hard to believe to me. If he knew how to get past the drug testing who's to know exactly what he was doing. PCP does seem like an oddly specific drug to mention, but I'll wait until I read the whole article to know how they reached that conclusion.

And as far as the whole "close to being cut" argument goes, well I can remember at least one player who was recently here who got a huge extension and was traded the following offseason. It's not unreasonable to believe they gave him the extension thinking he'd earn it as long as he stayed out of major trouble, but looking at what happened I think once they found out the seriousness of the charges it was pretty easy to cut him.

And as far as the Urban Meyer thing goes, it could've been pretty easy for him to make the decision to help cover it up if he didn't know all the details, or if he thought Hernandez's involvement was minimal. We hear articles every day about major NCAA programs violating rules and covering things up, and I have little doubt that at a major program like Florida taking care of the football team is of pretty high priority, because that's probably the breadwinner for the entire program.

I'm not going to call him guilty now but with everything we know it's not hard to see these points as conceivable given the circumstances.