Preseason Predictions Thread

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I neither agree nor disagree with the assertions you make based on this undefined "top end talent" though I suspect once defined I will likely disagree. Given undefined nature of the phrase, however, it is impossible to do so coherently. Please ennumerate who you consider to be Dallas's "top end talent" - preferably in the order you think they rate.

Sure thing, glad you asked.

Ware, Spencer, Lee, Romo, Bryant, Witten, Tyron Smith, Hatcher, and Carr would fit my definition of top end talent. Austin, Murray, Ratliff, Claiborne, and Bruce Carter would fall short.

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Sure thing, glad you asked.

Ware, Spencer, Lee, Romo, Bryant, Witten, Tyron Smith, Hatcher, and Carr would fit my definition of top end talent. Austin, Murray, Ratliff, Claiborne, and Bruce Carter would fall short.

Orakpo, Fletcher, Kerrigan, Griffin, Davis, Williams, Coefield, Morris, and wait for it...... Hall. (compare his stats to Carr)

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

Orakpo, Fletcher, Kerrigan, Griffin, Davis, Williams, Coefield, Morris, and wait for it...... Hall. (compare his stats to Carr)

Nice...although if you compare their stats, Carr was substantially better in catches allowed.

Hall: 94 tackles, 4 INTs, 1 sack, 75 catches allowed

Carr: 53 tackles, 3 InTs, 0 sacks, 51 catches allowed

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Nice...although if you compare their stats, Carr was substantially better in catches allowed.

Hall: 94 tackles, 4 INTs, 1 sack, 75 catches allowed

Carr: 53 tackles, 3 InTs, 0 sacks, 51 catches allowed

Carr also had better help from safeties. Hall had basically none. Safeties have a fair say in that particular stat unless its a true shut down corner that is left on an island the whole time. Which neither Carr nor Hall are.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Carr also had better help from safeties. Hall had basically none. Safeties have a fair say in that particular stat unless its a true shut down corner that is left on an island the whole time. Which neither Carr nor Hall are.

If you factor safety play in, than Hall is better. 94 tackles and 4 INTs isn't too shabby for an almost-30 year-old corner.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Carr also had better help from safeties. Hall had basically none. Safeties have a fair say in that particular stat unless its a true shut down corner that is left on an island the whole time. Which neither Carr nor Hall are.

Aren't the Dallas safeties one of the more obvious areas of concern throughout the league?

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Aren't the Dallas safeties one of the more obvious areas of concern throughout the league?

Why would the rest of the league have obvious concerns for Dallas safeties?

And there is no way they were worse than Madieu Williams and Doughty in pass coverage. Hall and Wilson were on an island whether they liked it or not all year.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Why would the rest of the league have obvious concerns for Dallas safeties?

And there is no way they were worse than Madieu Williams and Doughty in pass coverage. Hall and Wilson were on an island whether they liked it or not all year.

The Dallas corners were on the same islands.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

Orakpo, Fletcher, Kerrigan, Griffin, Davis, Williams, Coefield, Morris, and wait for it...... Hall. (compare his stats to Carr)

I'm very comfortable with the Redskins top end talent, but Hall's numbers are much more comparable to Claiborne's than Carr's. And Claiborne is either a rookie who will improve, or a Top Ten draft bust. He has to be better than he was last season.

The Skins top end talent list has a potentially great TE coming off an achillies injury, without any great season to date, and 38 year old London Fletcher. Maybe sports medicine is at a point where Davis is truly 100% and maybe Fletcher will have another great season before retirement, but the "maybes" are what pushes a guy off a top-end talent list for me.

Everyone else you put up there would be on my Redskins top-end talent list.

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm very comfortable with the Redskins top end talent, but Hall's numbers are much more comparable to Claiborne's than Carr's. And Claiborne is either a rookie who will improve, or a Top Ten draft bust. He has to be better than he was last season.

The Skins top end talent list has a potentially great TE coming off an achillies injury, without any great season to date, and 38 year old London Fletcher. Maybe sports medicine is at a point where Davis is truly 100% and maybe Fletcher will have another great season before retirement, but the "maybes" are what pushes a guy off a top-end talent list for me.

Everyone else you put up there would be on my Redskins top-end talent list.

I had to list Hall. I know how much you like him so I couldn't resist. I agree with your overall perspective and analysis. I think the skins and cowpokes are close in terms of talent. The Cowboys have the edge in individual talent, we have an edge in team/system talent. Hard to explain that except through wins and losses, especially in head to head games.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

I had to list Hall. I know how much you like him so I couldn't resist. I agree with your overall perspective and analysis. I think the skins and cowpokes are close in terms of talent. The Cowboys have the edge in individual talent, we have an edge in team/system talent. Hard to explain that except through wins and losses, especially in head to head games.

I figured, but I still responded to be safe. Or sorry. Or whatever I was.

The original point is the Cowboys are an extreme outlier. They DO have all these players who are worth a ton of money to other teams, and they do have a quality roster, and for three consecutive years, they haven't figured out how to make it work over a 16 game season. The idea that if they just brought everyone back, they would figure it out this year is a VERY flawed premise. They are not MORE talented than in recent years. And they are likely doomed to the same fate.

All of this is true about the Cowboys, but it's also been true of the Redskins prior to 2012. It's always a little jarring when Redskins fans have short memories.

I'm not trying to crush anyones optimism before the season, I am just saying that the Redskins still have to prove to the fans that they are moving in the right direction. We can use 2012 as a stepping stone to much better things in 2013: we have the roster to do it. As we did in 2006 and 2009. I believe this year is different. But it won't take a whole lot to scare me into believing it isn't. I'm the textbook definition of cautiously optimistic about this season.