Skins v Eagles post game thread

[skinsnut]

While I'm at it...and I know it is one game but....Orakpo is still underperforming. Kerrigan is far better in my mind. Maybe he too was tenative with his injury issue...but Cofield at a non impact position had more impact with a BROKEN HAND than Orakpo did. If he doesn't start getting to the passer, he is going to end up on another team....Heck...lets get that rookie guy in there occasionally if he can't do it. At least Rak can draw a holding penalty, but the result is a torn pec for every 10 of those.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Who cares if players were out drinking the night before a 7PM game?! Of they got home at 2am, they could get 10 hours of sleep and be feeling great by noon - 7 hours before kickoff.

[firstdown]

To ask RGIII to be a traditional QB would be like asking Payton to be a running QB. You can find a balance but he will never be "pocket" QB.

[skinsfaninok]

Aaron Rodgers isn't just a pocket passer neither is Romo, Kaepernick , Wilson..

[donofriose]

RG3 was a great pocket passer at Baylor, in fact arguably the best pocket passer in college football that year. He didn't just run read options at Baylor all day. It was a spread offense with a heavy emphasis on the passing game, specifically from the pocket.

He can pass from the pocket, he as shown both in the NFL and in college he can. NO NFL QB can pass from the pocket when their OLINE is not blocking consistently. He was never comfortable stepping up to pass against the Eagles. Even Manning and Brady struggle when that happens. It has been one game. Let us not act like RG3 all of a sudden became a QB that can only run the read option. He can do anything a quarterback would be asked to do.

[CultBrennan59]

So off of our 4 turnovers from the game, the eagles scored 16 points off them. We lost by 6.

1st Quarter

9:15 Alfred fumbles at the 25 yard line. Eagles score on Mike Vick to DeSean Jackson play. 7 points.

7:20 RG3 throws into triple coverage Intercepted at 46 yard line by Brandon Boykin. 0 points thanks to Perry Riley sacking Vick.

5:01 RG3 pitch to Morris. Fumbles in the end-zone 2 point safety.

3rd Quarter

14:00 RG3 throws a pick to Cary Williams at 31 yard line. LeSean McCoy runs for 36 yard TD run. 7 points.

All of our turnovers occurred in our own territory. Doesn't matter who you play, you can't do that against any team and expect no points.

Also worth noting, we got our first 1st down with 2:00 minutes left in the 1st quarter. The Eagles already had 11 first downs by then.

[SouperMeister]

If Kyle isn't going to call more read option on the assumption that Griffin isn't the threat he was last year, I would like to see A LOT more bootlegs, which he called for Cousins against Cleveland last year. This O-line is poor at pocket protection without the threat of read option, so Kyle may as well create time and space for Griffin in other ways.

[skinsguy]

Here is something very interesting I found. While the Eagles fans are all euphoric over Monday Night's win, I was curious to see what the similarities were between Steve Spurrier's first regular season game with the Redskins and Chip Kelly's first game with the Eagles. Here are the stats:

Spurrier's first game: 73 plays, 442 yards of total offense and 31 points.
Chip Kelly's first game: 77 plays,443 yards of total offense and 33 points.

Almost identical numbers in plays, yardage and points. Of course the Eagles win seems more impressive since they scored most of their points in a half, and it was against the division champs. The Redskins' win was against the Cardinals. Still, not a whole lot of difference between the two, though. Both were/are supposed to be offensive geniuses. Other similarities I found is that Spurrier's offense seemed to expose the quarterback to a lot of hits. Kelly's seems to also have that issue - especially once the offense tires and the "foot if lifted off the gas". Any quarterback with less elusiveness is going to get killed - at least from my observation.

That's why any talk (I know it's not here but you know everybody else in football land will be talking) of the Eagles' being a scary team that's going to transform the NFL is way pre-mature. I still have my doubts - especially since it fizzled out in the second half. Most certainly, I could be wrong, but Philly is going to have prove that to me throughout the season.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Here is something very interesting I found. While the Eagles fans are all euphoric over Monday Night's win, I was curious to see what the similarities were between Steve Spurrier's first regular season game with the Redskins and Chip Kelly's first game with the Eagles. Here are the stats:

Spurrier's first game: 73 plays, 442 yards of total offense and 31 points.
Chip Kelly's first game: 77 plays,443 yards of total offense and 33 points.

Almost identical numbers in plays, yardage and points. Of course the Eagles win seems more impressive since they scored most of their points in a half, and it was against the division champs. The Redskins' win was against the Cardinals. Still, not a whole lot of difference between the two, though. Both were/are supposed to be offensive geniuses. Other similarities I found is that Spurrier's offense seemed to expose the quarterback to a lot of hits. Kelly's seems to also have that issue - especially once the offense tires and the "foot if lifted off the gas". Any quarterback with less elusiveness is going to get killed - at least from my observation.

That's why any talk (I know it's not here but you know everybody else in football land will be talking) of the Eagles' being a scary team that's going to transform the NFL is way pre-mature. I still have my doubts - especially since it fizzled out in the second half. Most certainly, I could be wrong, but Philly is going to have prove that to me throughout the season.

You only posted half of the numbers between the two coaches. The other knock on Spurrier was that neglected the D putting everything into the O. How do the defensive numbers compare?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You only posted half of the numbers between the two coaches. The other knock on Spurrier was that neglected the D putting everything into the O. How do the defensive numbers compare?

Spurrier vs Kelly

PTS........ 23...... 27
FD......... 14...... 25
TotYds.. 257...... 382
PassYds. 187....... 308
RushYds. 70...... 74
TO.......... 1...... 3

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Spurrier vs Kelly

PTS........ 23...... 27
FD......... 14...... 25
TotYds.. 257...... 382
PassYds. 187....... 308
RushYds. 70...... 74
TO.......... 1...... 3

Thanks CRed. Interesting stuff. Spurrier and Kelly had similar offensive debuts while Spurrier did better on defense.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I wonder what our record would have been in the last two meaningful games the Skins have played (SEA/PHI) if Cousins had started.

I also wonder when you factor in injuries if Cousins is not the better long term option at QB over RGIII. Just food for thought.

I think we could have beat Seattle if Cousins came in up 14-0, but Griff had an AWFUL lot to do with the run we made to even be playing in that game. Sure Cousins beat the Browns but alot of qb's beat the Browns. Also i remember hearing that if Griff didnt stay in the Seattle game and completely tear his tendons etc, that the injuru could have lingered because of several reasons.
As for the Eagles game - Cousins probably would have been sharper in the first half, but Griff had to see live action - so imo it was the right move. Had he been replaced at the half where the hell would his head be at now? Its only one game and i think getting Griff up to game speed , although it was MNF and it was ugly for a while greatly outweighs one game. Its 15 games vs 1.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I think we could have beat Seattle if Cousins came in up 14-0, but Griff had an AWFUL lot to do with the run we made to even be playing in that game. Sure Cousins beat the Browns but alot of qb's beat the Browns. Also i remember hearing that if Griff didnt stay in the Seattle game and completely tear his tendons etc, that the injuru could have lingered because of several reasons.
As for the Eagles game - Cousins probably would have been sharper in the first half, but Griff had to see live action - so imo it was the right move. Had he been replaced at the half where the hell would his head be at now? Its only one game and i think getting Griff up to game speed , although it was MNF and it was ugly for a while greatly outweighs one game. Its 15 games vs 1.

I agree. the first half was like Griffin's pre-season.

Anywho I am just wondering how different it been in those two games if KC was under center.

I do think they need to dial down the hype train with RG. Like running on the field with the flag and all that corny stuff.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I agree. the first half was like Griffin's pre-season.

Anywho I am just wondering how different it been in those two games if KC was under center.

I do think they need to dial down the hype train with RG. Like running on the field with the flag and all that corny stuff.

I hear ya - i think we win both to tell you the truth, but as i said circumstance and the future are better served because he didnt play. I missed the flag thing, but yeah sounds a tad bit over the top. Lol.

[MTK]

This thing about Griffin not wanting to run the RO is bugging me.

Plus can we stop saying we have a read option based offense? It's a play-action based system. A play we ran 8 times per game doesn't equate to a base system.

The read option isn't off the table. Otherwise why did they practice it so much and ran it a bunch in preseason games with White?

It's definitely still in the game plan, but depending on game situations sometimes it will be called more often, sometimes less.

We fell behind early against Philly and couldn't get anything going. The RO isn't a threat when the other team knows you're in catchup mode and are going to pass every play.

Too many people are falling into the trap of looking at the results of one game and drawing hardline conclusions about how the other 15 games are going to go.