Redskins "Name Change" Volume 10000000

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Now Warriors is derogatory?

We need to just move to London and be the Sillynannies because it's seriously moving in that direction.

Warriors is considered derogatory by some folks when used in conjunction with Native American regalia. It is seen as creating an unfortunate stereotype.

If we were the "Warriors" with a nuclear missile as an emblem, things would be different.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I had no idea that the Oneida Nation sponsors the Packers or has a gate at Lambeau.

The Oneida Nation folks are trying hard to turn up the heat on the name issue. They may have some success.

I just wonder how much the Skins are trying to use persuasion in the background to get that percentage of tribes who are offended, to see this as now a good image. I know they publicly speak of it in those terms, but are there outreach programs in place to find those Native Americans who feel the strongest, and work with them to find an acceptance, or is it just "we are the Redskins, and it will never change".

I don't know that feelings can be changed, but I do believe that if the Skins can't get this sentiment changed, it's going to become a bigger issue as more media talking/writing heads join the minority side.

[Monkeydad]

Comments towards the opposition? I hear no one insulting Native Americans. Most of us believe our team's identity honors them in fact. Classy logo, not a cartoonish caricature like Cleveland's.

Negative comments towards the politicians, lawyers and media are well-deserved. THEY are the ones creating a false issue and calling ME and YOU as Redskins fans racists. They're the race-baiters and the REAL racists in this issue. I do not think of skin colors and racial slurs when I see the Redskins logo or say the name, I think of a football tradition and honoring the past. Those who constantly look for racism in anything they can find it in their twisted minds just make me sick. Look how these same people (media, politicians) treat crimes involving people of different skin color...Travon Martin at the top of the list. They see EVERYTHING in teams of race first.

It's been documented over and over that actual Native Americans are not the main group "offended" and pushing this issue. If they were, I might be more sympathetic to the issue.

[SmootSmack]

We're not going to agree here, and I have better things to do. I'm moving on

[Monkeydad]

We could always go this route:

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

We could always go this route:

That's exactly the route I could see them going in. I believe Snyder already has rights to the Warriors name and that uniform makes the most sense and still hangs on to the team tradition and history.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

That's exactly the route I could see them going in. I believe Snyder already has rights to the Warriors name and that uniform makes the most sense and still hangs on to the team tradition and history.

If they cave in and go that route, I would like them to use colors more like burgundy and yellow than garnet and gold, the spearhead looks too much like FSU as is.

But taking the Green Bay protestors at their word, they are offended at NAs being called "warriors". So that name should be a non-starter in reference to Indians, if the name has to be changed.

Washington Sentinels, or go Washington Warriors with a modern US Army motif would make more sense. Camo or standard drabber colors? Represent a demographic that isn't "offended" by the name, and appreciates us cheering for them.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

If they cave in and go that route, I would like them to use colors more like burgundy and yellow than garnet and gold, the spearhead looks too much like FSU as is.

They look like us.

1968 Redskins


1968 Florida State





Check out their 1962 helmet...these protesters should be happy we're not using something like this!


They didn't copy our spear helmet until 1976.
https://www.gridironmemories.com/sho...y.asp?catid=97

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

They (FSU) look like us (Skins).
(snip cool pics)

"()" are added in by me.

Cool pics, monkeydad. Interesting to see what our helmets were like in-between the days of leather and the current headgear.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

That's exactly the route I could see them going in. I believe Snyder already has rights to the Warriors name and that uniform makes the most sense and still hangs on to the team tradition and history.

I could dig that

[NC_Skins]

I'd prefer the Washington White Guilt.

[donofriose]

I never understood why there was such an opposition to a name change. As long as the team stays in DC (or the DC area) I will be their fan no matter what they are called.

I do believe there should be a discussion, and Snyder should not be so dismissive but I have heard from reporters that is part of his personality at times.

I'll say this, if the team would be allowed to move back in to the city and get a brand new stadium and the city would be willing to give money if the team changed their name, I would want a name change. Other than that, I am not a Native American so I cannot say if it is offensive or not and I do not know the history of the term.

[Gmanc711]

That Frog Picture made me spit out my coffee. Love that you called them the "Maryland Frogs too".

Those Warriors uniforms are badass. That 2002 look was my favorite Skins' alternate ever.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

That Frog Picture made me spit out my coffee. Love that you called them the "Maryland Frogs too".

Those Warriors uniforms are badass. That 2002 look was my favorite Skins' alternate ever.

Wish I could take credit for drawing the Kermit set, but I guess some kid did it. Found it on Google when I searched "Washington Warriors uniform" to see if any concepts with that military vets idea were done.


I'd be thrilled if we adopted that look now, without having to change our name.

[Monkeydad]

I'd prefer the team move to Virginia and away from the morals toilet of D.C. before changing the team nickname. I'm a Redskins fan.

Snyder is being dismissive because a.) he owns the team, b.) this false issue has been pushed for decades

I don't want the team to get bribed or blackmailed by politicians with a new stadium in exchange for throwing 80 years of tradition away. I'm glad Snyder is taking a stand for something he believes in and I'm glad he values our team's history and tradition enough to fight for it. He's not willing to sell his beliefs for a shiny new stadium and Super Bowl venue. I appreciate that of our owner.