Redskins Lions postgame

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Is that on MS in your opinion? I mean he is either not reaching them or they are unreachable - but that would fall on hom too - this is his team.

Absolutely in the sense he's the HC and it falls on him. Buck stops with him. And Kyle has to go. Love him to death. Tremendous person. Good friend, don't want him here anymore

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Absolutely in the sense he's the HC and it falls on him. Buck stops with him. And Kyle has to go. Love him to death. Tremendous person. Good friend, don't want him here anymore

You're friends with Kyle shanahan?

[whistler]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Absolutely in the sense he's the HC and it falls on him. Buck stops with him. And Kyle has to go. Love him to death. Tremendous person. Good friend, don't want him here anymore

Not sure if the offense has grown stale or the league knows how to play them or what. I am not a fan of not being able to go "hurry-up" as a change of pace, why the spread offense is not used more when it is so effective on the first two downs. Also, can not seem to understand why they want to pass so much out of the pistol, with the lines inability to pass protect, why would you want to pass 3 to 4 yrds from the line of scrimmage, that was a big problem against the Packers. Kyle and/or the script needs to go away. Has anyone else noticed that after the scripted plays are done, then and only then can they move the ball?

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Absolutely in the sense he's the HC and it falls on him. Buck stops with him. And Kyle has to go. Love him to death. Tremendous person. Good friend, don't want him here anymore

When the calm sense of reason on the WP is calling for heads, its time for changes.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Absolutely in the sense he's the HC and it falls on him. Buck stops with him. And Kyle has to go. Love him to death. Tremendous person. Good friend, don't want him here anymore

I'm curious if your opinion changes if we turn it around this season.

I think we need a Smoot smackdown thread.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Bucket

I'm curious if your opinion changes if we turn it around this season.

I think we need a Smoot smackdown thread.

Eh, not likely. Some here know I've been thinking this for a while. I don't think RG3, Mike and Kyle can effectively coexist much longer. One of the biggest misconceptions about Mike and Kyle is that they just agree on everything because they're father/son. And to be clear, it's just a football thing. They have different ideas. And their franchise QB is unfortunately stuck in the middle. RG3 and Mike aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Well, not RG3 at least. So the right thing would be for Kyle to go. Find his own path. I think, I know, he's earned a strong enough reputation around the league to do so. And, as I've said before here too, he's not a favorite of Bruce Allen. Not saying he doesn't like him. Just saying he's not guaranteed to be the next HC here, nor should he be

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Eh, not likely. Some here know I've been thinking this for a while. I don't think RG3, Mike and Kyle can effectively coexist much longer. One of the biggest misconceptions about Mike and Kyle is that they just agree on everything because they're father/son. And to be clear, it's just a football thing. They have different ideas. And their franchise QB is unfortunately stuck in the middle. RG3 and Mike aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Well, not RG3 at least. So the right thing would be for Kyle to go. Find his own path. I think, I know, he's earned a strong enough reputation around the league to do so. And, as I've said before here too, he's not a favorite of Bruce Allen. Not saying he doesn't like him. Just saying he's not guaranteed to be the next HC here, nor should he be

To me it's painfully obvious that Kyle doesn't seem to open the offense up until we're in passing situations. Example...why throw a wr screen on 3rd and long in the 1st q? He doesn't seem to completely trust RG3, not to say I blame him. Too many short passes.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Eh, not likely. Some here know I've been thinking this for a while. I don't think RG3, Mike and Kyle can effectively coexist much longer. One of the biggest misconceptions about Mike and Kyle is that they just agree on everything because they're father/son. And to be clear, it's just a football thing. They have different ideas. And their franchise QB is unfortunately stuck in the middle. RG3 and Mike aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Well, not RG3 at least. So the right thing would be for Kyle to go. Find his own path. I think, I know, he's earned a strong enough reputation around the league to do so. And, as I've said before here too, he's not a favorite of Bruce Allen. Not saying he doesn't like him. Just saying he's not guaranteed to be the next HC here, nor should he be

Thing is a lot of folks think Mike and Kyle are joined at the hip and are a one package deal. A lot of people in here think that. I have no real opinion on the matter because I don't know if that is the case or have real access up here in Detroit to any inside info about that. Seems to me though the father and son thing is fairly deep for Mike to bring him in here. When this all first went down with MS coming, a lot of folks said that he wanted his son to take over from him as coach. Mike has a lot of $$$$$$$ already, so getting canned isn't going to hurt him, and he might get another job real quick(Jax) Another factor that I touched on is the worst case scenario where we go 2-14, 1-15, or dare I say it 0-16 and Snyder is forced to sack all of them. If that happens the new HC might want everything new, including his own QB that fits his system, and the stupid merry go round continues for who knows how much longer. The soap opera continues. Not even Vince McMahon can write this stuff!

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Eh, not likely. Some here know I've been thinking this for a while. I don't think RG3, Mike and Kyle can effectively coexist much longer. One of the biggest misconceptions about Mike and Kyle is that they just agree on everything because they're father/son. And to be clear, it's just a football thing. They have different ideas. And their franchise QB is unfortunately stuck in the middle. RG3 and Mike aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Well, not RG3 at least. So the right thing would be for Kyle to go. Find his own path. I think, I know, he's earned a strong enough reputation around the league to do so. And, as I've said before here too, he's not a favorite of Bruce Allen. Not saying he doesn't like him. Just saying he's not guaranteed to be the next HC here, nor should he be

Thanks for the info. Exactly what is it (football related) that they don't see eye to eye on?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Eh, not likely. Some here know I've been thinking this for a while. I don't think RG3, Mike and Kyle can effectively coexist much longer. One of the biggest misconceptions about Mike and Kyle is that they just agree on everything because they're father/son. And to be clear, it's just a football thing. They have different ideas. And their franchise QB is unfortunately stuck in the middle. RG3 and Mike aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Well, not RG3 at least. So the right thing would be for Kyle to go. Find his own path. I think, I know, he's earned a strong enough reputation around the league to do so. And, as I've said before here too, he's not a favorite of Bruce Allen. Not saying he doesn't like him. Just saying he's not guaranteed to be the next HC here, nor should he be

Going to put this here since this relationship was talked about here. It appears we have another situation where Snyder is involved in a personal relationship with his top player and it's causing some strife between coach, player and owner.

Seems Schefter was on ESPN980 and talked about Shanny/RGIII and the Redskins.


Schefter on RGIII and Snyder

(the radio segment)
ESPN 980 Audio Vault - Play Now

Do you think that maybe empowers Robert if there is a dispute, to feel that he can push his will?”

“I think both of those statements are true,” Schefter said. “I think it complicates it, and I think it empowers Robert. Yes. I think both those things are true. Now, Dan Snyder is a different owner than a lot of other owners, so he doesn’t conduct his business the way that Pat Bowlen conducts his business or the way that some other people conduct their business. Dan has been a tremendously successful business man, so it’s hard to argue about what he’s done and the way he’s handled his business, to me. But, saying that, yes, I do think that that has empowered RGIII. Yes.”

I have no problem with Mike not wanting to be RGIII's friend. This is how it should be. He doesn't need to be Robert's "friend", he needs to be his coach. I am annoyed that Snyder is being RGIII's buddy. Dude needs to stay the **** away from players on a personnel level. We've seen this shit before with Clinton Portis and that fiasco. This shit will not end well. **** YOU SNYDER!!!


edit: ....and confirmation of this:

‏@HTTR24_7

@sugewhite94 @tottranet Kev is good.. Tell you one thing, Adam just nailed it in his interview.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Absolutely in the sense he's the HC and it falls on him. Buck stops with him. And Kyle has to go. Love him to death. Tremendous person. Good friend, don't want him here anymore

Ss, I like many always appreciate the insight. But gotta say this is kinda earth shattering of a comment. It's that bad? Seems like going into the season the coaching staff would more on the same page. Just kinda doesn't make sense this early in the season to be feeling this way of "Kyle gotta go".

[skinsfaninok]

we dont even run the ball anymore.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

we dont even run the ball anymore.

Looks like Alfmo will be lucky to break 1000 yards this season. Wonder what he's on pace for.

[punch it in]

Good: we were in it to win it, and maybe we are trending up.
Reed
Almo
Bad: our schedule after the bye and pretty much everything else.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Good: we were in it to win it, and maybe we are trending up.
Reed
Almo
Bad: our schedule after the bye and pretty much everything else.

That is what I am saying. We can improve somewhat with Oakland, but after the bye, our schedule is killer with playoff contenders from both conferences. I think the O will get back on track, as we have the personnel, but that D is fizzling badly, especially when you have two rooks starting, with at least one looking lost most of the time.