Redskins Lions postgame

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Bucket

I'm curious if your opinion changes if we turn it around this season.

I think we need a Smoot smackdown thread.

Eh, not likely. Some here know I've been thinking this for a while. I don't think RG3, Mike and Kyle can effectively coexist much longer. One of the biggest misconceptions about Mike and Kyle is that they just agree on everything because they're father/son. And to be clear, it's just a football thing. They have different ideas. And their franchise QB is unfortunately stuck in the middle. RG3 and Mike aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Well, not RG3 at least. So the right thing would be for Kyle to go. Find his own path. I think, I know, he's earned a strong enough reputation around the league to do so. And, as I've said before here too, he's not a favorite of Bruce Allen. Not saying he doesn't like him. Just saying he's not guaranteed to be the next HC here, nor should he be

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Eh, not likely. Some here know I've been thinking this for a while. I don't think RG3, Mike and Kyle can effectively coexist much longer. One of the biggest misconceptions about Mike and Kyle is that they just agree on everything because they're father/son. And to be clear, it's just a football thing. They have different ideas. And their franchise QB is unfortunately stuck in the middle. RG3 and Mike aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Well, not RG3 at least. So the right thing would be for Kyle to go. Find his own path. I think, I know, he's earned a strong enough reputation around the league to do so. And, as I've said before here too, he's not a favorite of Bruce Allen. Not saying he doesn't like him. Just saying he's not guaranteed to be the next HC here, nor should he be

To me it's painfully obvious that Kyle doesn't seem to open the offense up until we're in passing situations. Example...why throw a wr screen on 3rd and long in the 1st q? He doesn't seem to completely trust RG3, not to say I blame him. Too many short passes.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Eh, not likely. Some here know I've been thinking this for a while. I don't think RG3, Mike and Kyle can effectively coexist much longer. One of the biggest misconceptions about Mike and Kyle is that they just agree on everything because they're father/son. And to be clear, it's just a football thing. They have different ideas. And their franchise QB is unfortunately stuck in the middle. RG3 and Mike aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Well, not RG3 at least. So the right thing would be for Kyle to go. Find his own path. I think, I know, he's earned a strong enough reputation around the league to do so. And, as I've said before here too, he's not a favorite of Bruce Allen. Not saying he doesn't like him. Just saying he's not guaranteed to be the next HC here, nor should he be

Thing is a lot of folks think Mike and Kyle are joined at the hip and are a one package deal. A lot of people in here think that. I have no real opinion on the matter because I don't know if that is the case or have real access up here in Detroit to any inside info about that. Seems to me though the father and son thing is fairly deep for Mike to bring him in here. When this all first went down with MS coming, a lot of folks said that he wanted his son to take over from him as coach. Mike has a lot of $$$$$$$ already, so getting canned isn't going to hurt him, and he might get another job real quick(Jax) Another factor that I touched on is the worst case scenario where we go 2-14, 1-15, or dare I say it 0-16 and Snyder is forced to sack all of them. If that happens the new HC might want everything new, including his own QB that fits his system, and the stupid merry go round continues for who knows how much longer. The soap opera continues. Not even Vince McMahon can write this stuff!

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Eh, not likely. Some here know I've been thinking this for a while. I don't think RG3, Mike and Kyle can effectively coexist much longer. One of the biggest misconceptions about Mike and Kyle is that they just agree on everything because they're father/son. And to be clear, it's just a football thing. They have different ideas. And their franchise QB is unfortunately stuck in the middle. RG3 and Mike aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Well, not RG3 at least. So the right thing would be for Kyle to go. Find his own path. I think, I know, he's earned a strong enough reputation around the league to do so. And, as I've said before here too, he's not a favorite of Bruce Allen. Not saying he doesn't like him. Just saying he's not guaranteed to be the next HC here, nor should he be

Thanks for the info. Exactly what is it (football related) that they don't see eye to eye on?

[SFREDSKIN]

Before we send Shanahan packing let's start with Haslett. Enough is enough, I'm tired of looking at his face, promote someone as DC, they can't be any worse than Haslett.

[NC_Skins]

@ESPNStatsInfo

The #Redskins have allowed 1,464 yards through first 3 games, most in NFL history.


This speaks for itself.


@granthpaulsen

Trent Williams: "It doesn't feel good to be 0-3. It sucks. But there's nothing we can do about it now." #Redskins

Nothing you can do about it Trent? You can ****ing start playing with a purpose and like you guys are being paid to do.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

@ESPNStatsInfo

The #Redskins have allowed 1,464 yards through first 3 games, most in NFL history.


This speaks for itself.


@granthpaulsen

Trent Williams: "It doesn't feel good to be 0-3. It sucks. But there's nothing we can do about it now." #Redskins

Nothing you can do about it Trent? You can ****ing start playing with a purpose and like you guys are being paid to do.

This is the attitude under Norv, where Redskins Park was likened to Club Med. It is time to get rid of the outrageous salaries. You have to give these lazy, overpaid ****s some real incentive to play. Have everyone play at the current minimum salary and everything else is added up per game. You know how college players get stickers on their helmets for good plays, pay the bastard for yardage gained, scores, tackles, INTs, fumbles forced, recovered fumbles, etc almost like fantasy, but with $$$$$$$$$ not points. Seriously now, Trent will be a rich man whether or not he ever plays in another playoff game in his career, so where is his real incentive to win? Work ethic? Personal honor, etc? These concepts are long gone in terms of street mentality. Why do you think Gen X is holding down the greatest number of jobs in America with the smallest unemployment rate? We are the last generation that has any style of old American work ethic and the culture we grew up in was under Reagan, where you worked to get ahead. The street punks that are drafted in the last 10 years just see a big payday and just show up for the paycheck. Only a handful of the younger players really want to win, or really care about a legacy as a player. This is what the NFL gets by trying to promote Hip hop culture.

[CASKINS]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

@ESPNStatsInfo

The #Redskins have allowed 1,464 yards through first 3 games, most in NFL history.


This speaks for itself.


@granthpaulsen

Trent Williams: "It doesn't feel good to be 0-3. It sucks. But there's nothing we can do about it now." #Redskins

Nothing you can do about it Trent? You can ****ing start playing with a purpose and like you guys are being paid to do.

Tell that to the Defense.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by CASKINS

Tell that to the Defense.

Again we drafted a questionable guy in Rambo. My question to the NFL is why are they doing their utmost to promote hip hop culture, when it ultimately is going to bring it down. The prices are outrageous and the quality of the product on the field is abysmal anymore. Murderers, rapists, heavily tattooed idiots, you name it. Unless I can get some cheap seats I won't attend another NFL game again. It is a rip off.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Again we drafted a questionable guy in Rambo. My question to the NFL is why are they doing their utmost to promote hip hop culture, when it ultimately is going to bring it down. The prices are outrageous and the quality of the product on the field is abysmal anymore. Murderers, rapists, heavily tattooed idiots, you name it. Unless I can get some cheap seats I won't attend another NFL game again. It is a rip off.

This isn't The Replacements with Keanu Reaves.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

This isn't The Replacements with Keanu Reaves.

What are you talking about? If the NFL said F this and paid every player the minimum and everything else was performance driven, you would have a much better product. I am not talking about replacing any players. The NFL is a corporation with individual franchise within the corporation, but it is a corporation. Corporations are shedding jobs and forcing those employed to work harder for their money, so why can't the NFL do that with the players. I am sure the owners would love that, and so would the fans. It just might cut ticket prices and give you more bang for your buck. Seriously now!!!!!!! These players that are raised in the hip hop culture have no incentive to win, when a huge sum of their $$$$$$$ is guaranteed upfront. They are one track minded, and that is $$$$$$$$$. It is a guy who is regularly screwing a girl who wants to get married. The guy doesn't have any incentive to walk down the aisle since he already is getting his. The NFL product is mediocre anymore. Why do you think the networks go over the top with the hype machine with it? The game should sell itself like it did in the 70-80's with minimal hype, except during the SB.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Again we drafted a questionable guy in Rambo. My question to the NFL is why are they doing their utmost to promote hip hop culture, when it ultimately is going to bring it down. The prices are outrageous and the quality of the product on the field is abysmal anymore. Murderers, rapists, heavily tattooed idiots, you name it. Unless I can get some cheap seats I won't attend another NFL game again. It is a rip off.

Is this really a relevant discussion right now?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Again we drafted a questionable guy in Rambo. My question to the NFL is why are they doing their utmost to promote hip hop culture, when it ultimately is going to bring it down. The prices are outrageous and the quality of the product on the field is abysmal anymore. Murderers, rapists, heavily tattooed idiots, you name it. Unless I can get some cheap seats I won't attend another NFL game again. It is a rip off.

This may be the dumbest post in your long history of dumb posts here. It reeks of ignorance, and brings the down the value and quality of this site. Don't post crap like this again here

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

This may be the dumbest post in your long history of dumb posts here. It reeks of ignorance, and brings the down the value and quality of this site. Don't post crap like this again here

I don't think it is a dumb post at all. The NFL seems to tolerate the Hip Hop culture and let's face it, it has permeated American society for almost 20 years. Are you telling me that there hasn't been a watering down of both the character, sportsmanship, and the quality of play in the NFL over the said time period? The kids raised in this culture have been programmed to chase two things: tail and $$$$$$$$. There is absolutely no incentive for these kids to really focusing on winning when they are getting millions up front before they play down one. They win they get paid, they lose they get paid. Yeah doing well will get them a contract extension, and if they really do well more $$$$$$$, but these guys are set for life with the initial contract anyway. How many players did you ever see joke or laugh on the sidelines back in the day if they were getting their arses handed to them? Now you always see it. Maybe I am wrong in focusing on hip hop culture, but the culture in general is all about $$$$$$. Have to give these guys some real incentives to win, and if it has to be restructuring the way they get paid, I am all for it. That is the gist of my posts.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Again we drafted a questionable guy in Rambo. My question to the NFL is why are they doing their utmost to promote hip hop culture, when it ultimately is going to bring it down. The prices are outrageous and the quality of the product on the field is abysmal anymore. Murderers, rapists, heavily tattooed idiots, you name it. Unless I can get some cheap seats I won't attend another NFL game again. It is a rip off.

I dig you Gus, but no... Just no..