Redskins Lions postgame

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by The Goat

The problem I have with posts/opinions like these is they assume coaching talent is forever limited to what we see today, and then adding a second illogical assumption we'll automatically make a rash move e.g. Chip Kelly. You could just easily point to Pete Carroll, who's completely turned Seattle into a contender. Or the Colts. New coach, lots of new faces, and they're kicking ass. Or what Elway did in Denver, pull together two coaches from pretty listless situations and suddenly that team is a contender (don't forget, Denver was winning before Peyton got there, it's just that now it's a powerhouse team).

The point is, human capital, in this case coaching talent, is NEVER a limited supply. This coaching staff/chemistry sucks from top to bottom. Mike has sucked for over a decade, and that's why Denver kicked him to the curb. Haslett has never achieved anything to write home about. Same with Kyle, when he left Houston they didn't skip a beat. We have losers leading this team, period. Aside from a brief 8 game stint where the stars perfectly aligned - rest of the NFC East completely fell apart, new offensive scheme took defenses by surprise, etc. - this has not been a serious football team since Mike came to town.

Find the right coach, and this team could be a contender in a year or two. We see it happen over and over and over again around the league. It's our turn.

Denver was 8-8, 8-8, 4-12, 8-8 prior to Peytons arrival. They went 13-3 when Peyton got there. If thats what you call winning prior to Peytons arrival. What... The... Hell...

The year Tebow played, they won the division at 8-8. That division was pretty bad prior to this year. Even so, its mainly Denver and the Chiefs this year, and the Chiefs were actually a talented team last year based on how many players went to the pro bowl.

You also dont ever acknowledge the shape of this team prior to Mikes arrival. Old, terrible, and in horrible cap shape. Even without the Haynesworth and Dhall contracts that got us the cap penalty, we would have still been in terrible cap shape. Since not only would we still have their guaranteed money to deal with, meaning we wouldnt have been able to cut them, we would have been dealing with their annual salaries on the books as well, since we wouldnt have been able to cut them. That means even worse teams talent wise than getting the guaranteed money into the uncapped year and dealing with almost 19 mil less cap space that most teams.

Mike did not take over a team with good players that couldnt get it done under the prior coaches, such as San Fran, Seattle, and the Chiefs. He took over a train wreck. The assumption that anyone was turning this team around in a couple of years is a joke. About the only one who could have done that was Gibbs, and if we are basing firing a coach based on being as good as Gibbs, then 30 HC's in the NFL are being fired this year, maybe even all 32.

Am I going to cry if Kyle or Haslett get fired? No... But to continue to claim that this team was a Super Bowl caliber team when Mike arrived to continue your notion that its all Mikes fault is laughable at best.

But then again, you havent said anything else since his arrival, even after they won the division for the first time since 99' last year.

[Lotus]

So SS, would Mike fire Kyle midseason? Or will we be hamstrung from Shanahan family bickering all year?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Lotus

So SS, would Mike fire Kyle midseason? Or will we be hamstrung from Shanahan family bickering all year?

Let me start over here. First, I shouldn't have brought this up today. The reality is that at 3-0 I'd probably be thinking the same thing. I mean I've talked at least to Matty about this. I'm not talking about letting him go now. Not at all. What I'm saying after this season he should move on. Or Mike should. One of them. Pick a plan and move forward with that. I don't believe they have the same plan, and that can be hidden only so long

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Let me start over here. First, I shouldn't have brought this up today. The reality is that at 3-0 I'd probably be thinking the same thing. I mean I've talked at least to Matty about this. I'm not talking about letting him go now. Not at all. What I'm saying after this season he should move on. Or Mike should. One of them. Pick a plan and move forward with that. I don't believe they have the same plan, and that can be hidden only so long

Fair enough.

Thank you for your illuminating information.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Let me start over here. First, I shouldn't have brought this up today. The reality is that at 3-0 I'd probably be thinking the same thing. I mean I've talked at least to Matty about this. I'm not talking about letting him go now. Not at all. What I'm saying after this season he should move on. Or Mike should. One of them. Pick a plan and move forward with that. I don't believe they have the same plan, and that can be hidden only so long

This explains a lot, but IMHO the team is lost at his point and neither M or K has credibility with this group any longer.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What I'm saying after this season he should move on. Or Mike should. One of them. Pick a plan and move forward with that. I don't believe they have the same plan, and that can be hidden only so long

Well, what's Mike's plan and what is Kyle's plan?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Well, what's Mike's plan and what is Kyle's plan?

I don't know to be honest whose plan belongs to whom. But one of them wants to go with less RO, more of stretching the defense, more boots, use the pass to set up the run. Let RG3 win the game with his arm, don't make him use his legs so much. I've heard this is how Kyle wants it. But others with deep knowledge say it's Mike who wants it this way.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't know to be honest whose plan belongs to whom. But one of them wants to go with less RO, more of stretching the defense, more boots, use the pass to set up the run. Let RG3 win the game with his arm, don't make him use his legs so much. I've heard this is how Kyle wants it. But others with deep knowledge say it's Mike who wants it this way.

Bizarre, just bizarre to have such confusion among a coaching staff. No wonder it's a mess out there.

I hate that we could end up with one or the other, Mike or Kyle. Mike hasn't put a whole team together in nearly 14 years, Kyle never has and really hasn't shown the leadership to warrant giving him the chance.

I was feeling optimistic until this stuff came up, sounds like we're just facing more of the same for however long...who knows?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Bizarre, just bizarre to have such confusion among a coaching staff. No wonder it's a mess out there.

I hate that we could end up with one or the other, Mike or Kyle. Mike hasn't put a whole team together in nearly 14 years, Kyle never has and really hasn't shown the leadership to warrant giving him the chance.

I was feeling optimistic until this stuff came up, sounds like we're just facing more of the same for however long...who knows?

Well look this happens throughout the league, even with winning teams. The solutions vary. One person just cedes his position. The two sides agree to a compromise. One guy simply gets fired. Among others.

My personal opinion, and of course you won't agree, is that Kyle has the smarts and reputation to venture out on his own by now and he should. And again, I mean after this season.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Let me start over here. First, I shouldn't have brought this up today. The reality is that at 3-0 I'd probably be thinking the same thing. I mean I've talked at least to Matty about this. I'm not talking about letting him go now. Not at all. What I'm saying after this season he should move on. Or Mike should. One of them. Pick a plan and move forward with that. I don't believe they have the same plan, and that can be hidden only so long

Is this the reason why there seems to be different opinions and "voices" coming from the team - especially what RGIII says versus what Mike Shanahan says?