We won!!!!!!!!!! (Redskins vs. Raiders Post Game Thread)

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by WillH

I agree with your sentiment here, but I don't think Brady and Manning are accurate yard sticks. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure these guys had very large OL in front of them, while the Shaniplan calls for smaller mobile lineman that can be beat more easily in pass pro. I wonder though, in a pass heavy league is it smart to build your line around a running scheme while sacrificing good pass pro?

Shanny's had success in Denver with that scheme, and our last season was pretty good too. I don't think you need maulers to pass pro, especially when you can freeze the LBs with good PA (set up by running plays in similar sets) and burn blitzes with quick slants and outs.

edit: Yeah the Pats OL is underrated, but Brady's dink and dunk can make it impossible to get to him as well.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Shanny's had success in Denver with that scheme, and our last season was pretty good too. I don't think you need maulers to pass pro, especially when you can freeze the LBs with good PA (set up by running plays in similar sets) and burn blitzes with quick slants and outs.

edit: Yeah the Pats OL is underrated, but Brady's dink and dunk can make it impossible to get to him as well.

I agree that it has been and can be a successful scheme, but I'd be interested to see if there are any stats about time in the pocket and QB hits / sacks/ injuries for Zone Scheme vs others. There probably aren't such stats, and I'm certainly not head coach material, but I guess on a common sense level, if I were building my team around a franchise QB with a big arm I would be putting the biggest best Pass Protecting OL that I could find in front of him, even if he is mobile. I really have confidence in the Shanihans, but I think it is still a point worth debating.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by WillH

I agree that it has been and can be a successful scheme, but I'd be interested to see if there are any stats about time in the pocket and QB hits / sacks/ injuries for Zone Scheme vs others. There probably aren't such stats, and I'm certainly not head coach material, but I guess on a common sense level, if I were building my team around a franchise QB with a big arm I would be putting the biggest best Pass Protecting OL that I could find in front of him, even if he is mobile. I really have confidence in the Shanihans, but I think it is still a point worth debating.

Usually teams that use a ZBS do a fair amount of rollouts, bootlegs, and moving pockets in the passing game. Thats one of the things that Kyle needs to get on board with. He doesnt do enough of them imo. RG3 is good on the move, and it shouldnt just be scrambles. We can start him moving from the snap to get away from the rush. The constant moving side to side, on both stretch runs and a moving pocket in the pass game, can wear down a defensive line.