Ramsey wants to be traded (merged)

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Less than half a game?

How about the entire offseason including OTA's, minicamp, training camp and 4 preseason games.

Ramsey had the chance to secure the job. He didn't lose the job on Sunday against the Bears. He lost it over the course of the entire offseason and preseason.

Brunell "won" last offseason as well, what did that prove? a rhythm is established in real game situations with all your personnel, all your plays, and all your 60 minutes. not in preseason, or wearing shorts in practice. didn't last year prove that?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Less than half a game?

How about the entire offseason including OTA's, minicamp, training camp and 4 preseason games.

Ramsey had the chance to secure the job. He didn't lose the job on Sunday against the Bears. He lost it over the course of the entire offseason and preseason.

since when does preseason mean anything? its not like brunell took snaps on the first string to make a comparision.

[cpayne5]

You guys are totally not understanding my position.

I was going to post a quick reply, but I don't really have time to formulate a response in a form that I'd be happy with at this time, but I'll be back later on this afternoon.

[MTK]

Will somebody please tell me what Ramsey has done to win your unrelenting support?

Was it the 65 QB rating in the preseason? The 4 INTs? Or maybe it was the 2 fumbles and 1 INT in three series worth of work against Chicago?

Talk about blindly following someone.

[jdlea]

Don't name him the starter. That's it. Just make it Brunell or say that they're having an open competition and give that to Brunell. That's the biggest problem. What did Brunell do to earn a second chance? Regular season is what it's about.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Don't name him the starter. That's it. Just make it Brunell or say that they're having an open competition and give that to Brunell. That's the biggest problem. What did Brunell do to earn a second chance? Regular season is what it's about.

Perhaps, Gibbs wanted to have a competition, if you will, without the media being involved and dividing the team after practice during camp. Maybe he had some idea of what he wanted to do but didn't know how to quite approach it.

Last year, when he declared an open competition - Ramsey didn't respond well. This year Gibbs took an another approach, let's just flat out name him the starter. Well the results were pretty much similiar.

[jdlea]

That is why he's in the position he's in now. He named him the starter and yanked him very quickly.

[jdlea]

I don't really wanna hear about offseason workouts because Ramsey didn't even have his #1 reciever most of the time. Remember? He was in a contract dispute.

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Perhaps, Gibbs wanted to have a competition, if you will, without the media being involved and dividing the team after practice during camp. Maybe he had some idea of what he wanted to do but didn't know how to quite approach it.

Last year, when he declared an open competition - Ramsey didn't respond well. This year Gibbs took an another approach, let's just flat out name him the starter. Well the results were pretty much similiar.

What results? Ramsey was given, literally, less than half a game! This move by Gibbs at this point in the season is nothing but a joke.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by LadyT

What results? Ramsey was given, literally, less than half a game! This move by Gibbs at this point in the season is nothing but a joke.

No, I disagree.....last year how he left Brunell in for several miserable games was a joke (see, I'm disagreeing with the infallible Gibbs, to leave an inadequate Ramsey in for another two or three games would have been a joke.

Yes, I said it..."inadequate"! And don't give me this, "he was only in for three drives and Gibbs benched him" stuff.

BTW, I still think Ramsey will prove to be very solid NFL QB, unfortunately it won't be here in Washington. I like his chances in Miami or Tampa or Cleveland.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by LadyT

What results? Ramsey was given, literally, less than half a game! This move by Gibbs at this point in the season is nothing but a joke.

Do you really think Gibbs based his decision soley on what Ramsey did against the Bears??

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by LadyT

What results? Ramsey was given, literally, less than half a game! This move by Gibbs at this point in the season is nothing but a joke.

LT, Gibbs didn't just look at the film from the Chicago game and decided to bench Ramsey....come on.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Will somebody please tell me what Ramsey has done to win your unrelenting support?

Was it the 65 QB rating in the preseason? The 4 INTs? Or maybe it was the 2 fumbles and 1 INT in three series worth of work against Chicago?

Talk about blindly following someone.

dismissing 16 regular season games last season for four preseason games against backups and the first 19 minutes of the regular season against a fresh and motivated Bears defense is whats blind.

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Will somebody please tell me what Ramsey has done to win your unrelenting support?

Was it the 65 QB rating in the preseason? The 4 INTs? Or maybe it was the 2 fumbles and 1 INT in three series worth of work against Chicago?

Talk about blindly following someone.

I never said that Ramsey had my "unrelenting" support. I just think that we have a better chance of winning with him than we do with Brunell. Ramsey may ultimately not be the answer either, but it looks like we'll never get the chance to find out. We've ALREADY found out that Brunell is not the answer, or wasn't 8 games enough of a tryout for him?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by LadyT

I never said that Ramsey had my "unrelenting" support. I just think that we have a better chance of winning with him than we do with Brunell. Ramsey may ultimately not be the answer either, but it looks like we'll never get the chance to find out. We've ALREADY found out that Brunell is not the answer, or wasn't 8 games enough of a tryout for him?

What makes you think Ramsey gave us a better chance? Is this just a feeling you have?

Well Gibbs has a feeling it's Brunell, somehow I trust his feelings more than ours.

Personally I'm willing to give a healthy Brunell a 2nd chance. A 2nd chance in an improved offense, with a QB that looks to have a better grasp on the offense.