Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Try this: If you were a shareholder in a corporation and your management team reported to you that 'things hadn't gone as planned, that they need to go back to the drawing board', not once or twice but repeatedly, at what point would you pull your investments?

LOL! What do you have invested in the Washington Redskins? Your time spent watching the games? Maybe a couple of bucks thrown to DirecTV for NFL Sunday Ticket? If it's causing that much grief, by all means, you should quit now before it gets worse. SMH!

Look, as much as I'm a fan of this team and as much as those glory years meant to me as a kid growing up watching this team play - in the end, it's freakin' entertainment for me. I'm a fan. I don't work for the Washington Redskins. I don't know any of the players/coaches personally. My investment of time is very minuscule compared to the hours I spend volunteering, working, spending time with my family, etc... It's how I want to spend my free time. It's OK if you don't want to spend the few hours you do during a small part of the year on the Washington Redskins anymore. If that makes you feel better about yourself. But geez...it's not any investment that's going to make a difference when it's all said and done.

[The Goat]

Y! SPORTS

LMAO Smoot always had a mouth

[Hog1]

You bring some very reasonable and salient points to the table SP. Glad you decided to speak your mind on the board. By seasons end hopefully the picture of what we "should" will become clearer, right?
WELCOME to the WP
and..............HTTR!

[Starry Plough]

Cheers Hog1!

I've only been following the team/game since '08 admittedly but through the conversations had here I've gotten a sense of just how disappointing things have been for 'Skins fans for too long.

A team with such a rich history and great fanbase as this deserves better and like yourself and everyone else, I can only hope the positives from last season were the first building block towards achieving something special rather than another "what if".

HTTR!

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Starry Plough

Cheers Hog1!

I've only been following the team/game since '08 admittedly but through the conversations had here I've gotten a sense of just how disappointing things have been for 'Skins fans for too long.

A team with such a rich history and great fanbase as this deserves better and like yourself and everyone else, I can only hope the positives from last season were the first building block towards achieving something special rather than another "what if".

HTTR!

Welcome! Excellent opening posts. Only a fan since 2008? Well, at least we know your not here for the bandwagon.

By all accounts, MS changed the culture around Redskin Park from the zoo it was under Cerrato. No small accomplishment and something I think too many discount. At the same time, this is a production based business. Regardless of adversity, MS needs to win. If he rips off another win streak, he will get his 5th year (and extension) but, regardless of cap penalties, a third losing record in 4 years should be the end game.

Hopefully, if transition comes, it will not be another descent into chaos.

[Starry Plough]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Welcome! Excellent opening posts. Only a fan since 2008? Well, at least we know your not here for the bandwagon.

By all accounts, MS changed the culture around Redskin Park from the zoo it was under Cerrato. No small accomplishment and something I think too many discount. At the same time, this is a production based business. Regardless of adversity, MS needs to win. If he rips off another win streak, he will get his 5th year (and extension) but, regardless of cap penalties, a third losing record in 4 years should be the end game.

Hopefully, if transition comes, it will not be another descent into chaos.

Yup, still very much a newbie admittedly lol. The games popularity on these shores has only really gathered momentum from around 2010 but even I’m amazed by how much it’s taken off what with the coverage on a host of channels and of course the Wembley games. If I could liken it to anything it’d be the scene in Fight Club when Ed Norton starts realising the subtle signs that more and more colleagues etc are “involved” lol.

I actually remember December ’09 returning from a work lunch and the news had just broke that Vinny was done! Again, I’d relied on so much background on the team from this site and it was evident just how jubilant everyone was that Snyder had finally acknowledged what a big part of the problem was and made efforts to eliminate it. At that time Mike coming on board was the worst kept secret and I absolutely credit the man for the changes he has made. I’d also like to see him finish the job but as you say, he’s not giving himself much of a chance right now and each passing game becomes even more significant as to what is going to happen next season as much as this.

I do believe if there are wholesale changes on the horizon though, that enough of a stable foundation has been laid by Mike. In particular his bringing predominately positive locker room characters in, which would hopefully ensure the environment is a more manageable one for the next guy if that’s the case.

[MTK]

Sure to be an unpopular opinion but worth the debate

Mike Shanahan’s contract should be extended to provide stability to Washington Redskins - The Washington Post

[irish]

I agree with SP about MS being held back the the cap penalty. This organization was so broken and lacking in talent from years of mismanagement that MS really needed that extra cap $ to get this team the talent it sorely needs. IMO, that penalty set MS back at least 2 years. Personally I hope they let MS finish out his contract and see where this organization is talent-wise and then make a decision about what to do with the HC and staff.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by irish

I agree with SP about MS being held back the the cap penalty. This organization was so broken and lacking in talent from years of mismanagement that MS really needed that extra cap $ to get this team the talent it sorely needs. IMO, that penalty set MS back at least 2 years. Personally I hope they let MS finish out his contract and see where this organization is talent-wise and then make a decision about what to do with the HC and staff.

I whole heartedly agree on your assessment of the MS era.

Year 1 he had to bring in some talent, and made a mistake with McFlabb.

Year 2 he had to contend with no FA and the lockout and build a team in a week.

Year 3 he finally got the QB, and made a mistake with Fletch and Morgan's contracts all while getting hit with a 18 Mil dollar Cap penalty. The team caught fire and won the NFC E.

Year 4 he is still dealing with the second 18 Mil cap penalty and could only get the same team from year 3 with a couple of decent draft picks as well. He could have fired Has at that point but continuity was a big buzz word so he stood pat with what he already had in place.

SO to say he really got a fair shot at a 5 year building plan isn't even close to accurate. He has changed the culture in DC but has been unable to get all the pieces in place to build a contending team.

I say give the guy at least his last year of his contract, and even sign him to a 2 year extension to see what he can really do given a level playing field with the rest of the NFL.

BUT Haslett and the failed 3-4 have to go and a new DC needs to come in to fix the defense. If this team had any sort of defense this year we would be able to contend for the east and while we are not yet mathematically eliminated from the playoffs yet it is a much harder boat to row this year. IF by some chance they are able to pull themselves up from the cellar and win this division it will be an amazing feat for a team with as many problems we have on all 3 sides of the ball.

WELCOME Brother from across the big pond SP!!!

[Starry Plough]

Ok, I’ve been convinced. Shanny stays lol!

Cheers again to all for the kind welcomes btw.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

I whole heartedly agree on your assessment of the MS era.

Year 1 he had to bring in some talent, and made a mistake with McFlabb.

Year 2 he had to contend with no FA and the lockout and build a team in a week.

Year 3 he finally got the QB, and made a mistake with Fletch and Morgan's contracts all while getting hit with a 18 Mil dollar Cap penalty. The team caught fire and won the NFC E.

Year 4 he is still dealing with the second 18 Mil cap penalty and could only get the same team from year 3 with a couple of decent draft picks as well. He could have fired Has at that point but continuity was a big buzz word so he stood pat with what he already had in place.

SO to say he really got a fair shot at a 5 year building plan isn't even close to accurate. He has changed the culture in DC but has been unable to get all the pieces in place to build a contending team.

I say give the guy at least his last year of his contract, and even sign him to a 2 year extension to see what he can really do given a level playing field with the rest of the NFL.

BUT Haslett and the failed 3-4 have to go and a new DC needs to come in to fix the defense. If this team had any sort of defense this year we would be able to contend for the east and while we are not yet mathematically eliminated from the playoffs yet it is a much harder boat to row this year. IF by some chance they are able to pull themselves up from the cellar and win this division it will be an amazing feat for a team with as many problems we have on all 3 sides of the ball.

WELCOME Brother from across the big pond SP!!!

Well said, and all those factor add up, even though it seems like there are people who discount all or some of it. I don't know about an extension, but it sure seems like MS ought to get to finish his contract.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Well said, and all those factor add up, even though it seems like there are people who discount all or some of it. I don't know about an extension, but it sure seems like MS ought to get to finish his contract.

This may be more of a perception thing than anything, but I feel like adding a number of small excuses together just gives you a larger pile of excuses. As opposed to something more substantial like a pattern. But again, that's probably a perception thing. Ultimately, it's going to be results that fuel decision-making.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

This may be more of a perception thing than anything, but I feel like adding a number of small excuses together just gives you a larger pile of excuses. As opposed to something more substantial like a pattern. But again, that's probably a perception thing. Ultimately, it's going to be results that fuel decision-making.

I don't look at the things I listed as "small" or excuses. I just see them as part of the hand MS was delt.

I am also of the opinion that at least with the same HC we can keep as sense of continuity. I know that it can be said that why would we want to continue this, but in all fairness I want MS to have a fair shot at turning this around for SUSTAINED success and to this point I don't think we can say that.

[Monkeydad]

^ I believe he should be. People forget how bad things were when he took over and about the cap penalty. He's put some great young talent in place with the limited draft picks Vinny left us and managed to get us the first franchise QB we've had since Joe Theismann.

Haslett's 3-4 conversion has been a disaster, so we definitely need to reset that side of the ball, but Shanahan has done a fantastic job in my opinion. Kyle's playcalling has been suspect too, so we can do without him if we need to make changes, but Mike should stay and get the opportunity to finish what he has started. I'd be fine with him taking back playcalling from his son too.

[Starry Plough]

Great feeback guys!

Just curious to what you think, but if Mike accepts he picked the wrong guy to run the D, will he be so willing to accept he made the same mistake on the other side of the ball and move on from both Haslett and Kyle in the same off-season?

Again, curiosity based as much on the obvious family ties to the latter as anything.