Skins vs DA BEARS pre game thread

[calia]

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Originally Posted by The Goat

Goat that hits it on the head, he is getting close to putting everything back together with his game. Once he does we will be fine. And yes I believe he is close even based off of the Dallas game.

Take away that AWFUL performance from our ST unit then who know who wins that game.

I think we would have won that game, to be honest. The rolled up 31 points on us with a measly 216 yeards. I wouldn't be surprised if that was one of the best points:yards ratios ever. At 16 points:433 yards, we probably had one of the worst ones in recent memory. Any game where you hold an opponent to 216 total yards is a game you ought to win. Dallas literally had one decent drive the whole game -- the first one, and that accounted for more than 1/3 of their yards. But for the ST failings, I suspect we would have pressed a bit less and made fewer other mistakes. If you more than double an opponent's total yards, you will win 9 time out of 10.

[calia]

By the way, as shown by the attached stats, Fred Davis, Niles Paul, and Aldrick Robinson have been, in effect, entirely uninvolved in our offense so far this year (yes, I know Paul serves as a receiver, and maybe Jordan Reed has already supplanted Davis entirely). But the lack of production is startling.

Redskins.com | Statistics'

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by calia

By the way, as shown by the attached stats, Fred Davis, Niles Paul, and Aldrick Robinson have been, in effect, entirely uninvolved in our offense so far this year (yes, I know Paul serves as a receiver, and maybe Jordan Reed has already supplanted Davis entirely). But the lack of production is startling.

Redskins.com | Statistics'

I just don't understand why this coaching staff can't get Davis on the field in 2 TE sets. He can help the offense score yet they leave him on the bench.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I just don't understand why this coaching staff can't get Davis on the field in 2 TE sets. He can help the offense score yet they leave him on the bench.

Davis has basically fell to 3rd on the depth chart. During the Cowboys game, Reed had about 55 snaps, Paulsen had 20 and Davis had 18. I think the Redskins are over Davis and he's probably over them.

Paul isn't involved because he's 4th string and basically solely a special teams player.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Davis has basically fell to 3rd on the depth chart. During the Cowboys game, Reed had about 55 snaps, Paulsen had 20 and Davis had 18. I think the Redskins are over Davis and he's probably over them.

Paul isn't involved because he's 4th string and basically solely a special teams player.

What makes it extra disappointing is Davis showed so much promise and he's in a contract year, so you'd like to think he'd be playing lights out if given the opportunity. Gotta be some interpersonal issues at work there.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by The Goat

What makes it extra disappointing is Davis showed so much promise and he's in a contract year, so you'd like to think he'd be playing lights out if given the opportunity. Gotta be some interpersonal issues at work there.

You are like the Dick Tracy of the Redskins.. Always something in the works lol.

Maybe

Just maybe...

The Achilles isnt what it use to be and Jordan Reed is just better?

[Lotus]

It's not like Davis has always been the most motivated of players.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I just don't understand why this coaching staff can't get Davis on the field in 2 TE sets. He can help the offense score yet they leave him on the bench.

Well, try to understand these things, as well:

1. Why wouldn't this coaching staff stay with the no-huddle offense against a depleted Cowboys DL when it was working well and wearing down the Dallas defensive linemen?

2. Why can't the this coaching staff manage the clock?

3. Why can't the Redskins Special Teams do anything right?

4. Why would a HC leave a seriously injured Franchise QB in a game until that QB suffers a catastrophic knee injury?

5. Why did the Redskins defense give up 500 yards of offense in three consecutive games?

6. Why is the OC so hands-on in coaching the QB's and WR's rather than leaving it to the position coaches?

7. Etc., etc., etc.

Possible answer: This coaching staff sucks?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Well, try to understand these things, as well:

1. Why wouldn't this coaching staff stay with the no-huddle offense against a depleted Cowboys DL when it was working well and wearing down the Dallas defensive linemen?

2. Why can't the this coaching staff manage the clock?

3. Why can't the Redskins Special Teams do anything right?

4. Why would a HC leave a seriously injured Franchise QB in a game until that QB suffers a catastrophic knee injury?

5. Why did the Redskins defense give up 500 yards of offense in three consecutive games?

6. Why is the OC so hands-on in coaching the QB's and WR's rather than leaving it to the position coaches?

7. Etc., etc., etc.

1. Yup, I am with you on that.

2. Still hanging with you.

3. Yup, still looking good.

4. Oops, you just took a wrong turn into rehashed opinionated stupidville.

5. I dunno ... just like your list, it's all just opinion, but perhaps ... (a) b/c they were strapped with an offseason penalty that left unable to do anything but try to keep as many of the pieces of an NFC East Division winning team together as they could; (b) their star QB was still shaking off the rust and was not as far along as had been hoped causing the offense to sputter and forcing the defense coming back onto the field; (c) b/c the offensive players were performing at a sub-par level and turning the ball over to high powered offenses; (d) the offenses we faced were really good; or (e) the players on the field were missing more tackles than any other team in the league and led the league in allowing yards after contact (i.e. they were put in places to succeed, but failed to do so).

6. First - you know for a fact that (a) this is going on; and (b) the position coaches oppose it and believe it to be detrimental to the players and the actual in-game happenings? Cite me the quote/link please.

Even if KS is more "hands on" for certain aspects of the offense he supervises, maybe, just maybe, the OC thinks the position coaches under him need better supervision and assistance and is giving it to them in the same way any supervisor would assist their mid-level managers in hopes of locating problems and improving the final product? BUT NO ... You're right. Despite merely (what I suspect to be) vague rumors of "over involvement" in the work of his direct reports, the only possible conclusion is that KS is an intrusive, interfering micromanager who ignores his primary job.

7. It's all the coaches fault, it's all the coaches fault, it's all the coaches fault.

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Possible answer: This coaching staff sucks?

Clearly, the only rational conclusion is that they can and never have done anything right.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

6. First - you know for a fact that (a) this is going on; and (b) the position coaches oppose it and believe it to be detrimental to the players and the actual in-game happenings? Cite me the quote/link please.

Even if KS is more "hands on" for certain aspects of the offense he supervises, maybe, just maybe, the OC thinks the position coaches under him need better supervision and assistance and is giving it to them in the same way any supervisor would assist their mid-level managers in hopes of locating problems and improving the final product? BUT NO ... You're right. Despite merely (what I suspect to be) vague rumors of "over involvement" in the work of his direct reports, the only possible conclusion is that KS is an intrusive, interfering micromanager who ignores his primary job.

7. It's all the coaches fault, it's all the coaches fault, it's all the coaches fault.

6 (highlighted part). Per SmootSmack on this board. I don't know if KS is micromanaging.

7. Never said it is all the coaches fault.

8 (new). I don't mind that you disagree with me but I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't be sarcastic and mocking next time.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

6 (highlighted part). Per SmootSmack on this board. I don't know if KS is micromanaging.

7. Never said it is all the coaches fault.

8 (new). I don't mind that you disagree with me but I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't be sarcastic and mocking next time.

As I was catching up on posts, yours was the fourth or fifth "Shanny sucks" I read and, to me, was simply one more in the long line of posts presenting opinionated conclusions as a logical result based on a set of "facts" which were, really, merely another set of opinions. In addition, your negative "facts" in 4-6 were only tangentially relatable to any real, provable fact and ignored the multitude of other provable facts, unrelated to your conclusion, which could be their cause. Such biased "analysis" tends to send my sarcasm meter off the deep end.

I am sorry if your feelings were hurt. However, I thought your post was intrinsically flawed and its apparent conclusion to be a vast oversimplification of the issues facing the Skins. After highlighting these flaws and oversimplifications, and after one too many similar posts, I chose sarcasm b/c I was simply tired of the BS of those who hold similar opinions and are equally casual with their "facts"/logic. So, to be clear, it was not meant as a personal attack but just a vent at the plethora of "Shanny sucks" posts that currently litter the otherwise intelligent conversation that takes place on this board.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

6 (highlighted part). Per SmootSmack on this board. I don't know if KS is micromanaging.

7. Never said it is all the coaches fault.

8 (new). I don't mind that you disagree with me but I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't be sarcastic and mocking next time.

To be clear, I don't know how common this is around the league. I just know that one of the reasons they chose not to go with a veteran WR coach this offseason was that Kyle is already very involved with the WRs (having been one himself I suppose), and to a lesser extent with the QBs

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Well, try to understand these things, as well:

1. Why wouldn't this coaching staff stay with the no-huddle offense against a depleted Cowboys DL when it was working well and wearing down the Dallas defensive linemen?

2. Why can't the this coaching staff manage the clock?

3. Why can't the Redskins Special Teams do anything right?

4. Why would a HC leave a seriously injured Franchise QB in a game until that QB suffers a catastrophic knee injury?

5. Why did the Redskins defense give up 500 yards of offense in three consecutive games?

6. Why is the OC so hands-on in coaching the QB's and WR's rather than leaving it to the position coaches?

7. Etc., etc., etc.

Possible answer: This coaching staff sucks?

Well #4 that goes more on RG3. The player knows how injured he is more than the coach so that's more on the player IMO.

But the rest of it...I don't know. The coach can't go out there and tackle guys himself. But the clock management and the lack of hurry up, Kyle's shitty playcalling (still scratching my head over the QB draw from the 10 yard line) ...yeah that's total BS. I'm leaning towards Snyder cleaning house.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well #4 that goes more on RG3. The player knows how injured he is more than the coach so that's more on the player IMO.

But the rest of it...I don't know. The coach can't go out there and tackle guys himself. But the clock management and the lack of hurry up, Kyle's shitty playcalling (still scratching my head over the QB draw from the 10 yard line) ...yeah that's total BS. I'm leaning towards Snyder cleaning house.

You are correct. RGIII needed to be more honest with MS and KS. A large part of "knee gate" is on RGIII.

We all are in a position to see this. Over the summer RGIII made repeated public statements about how healed he was. Yet the guy I saw take the field against Philly was not the guy that RGIII described.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You are correct. RGIII needed to be more honest with MS and KS. A large part of "knee gate" is on RGIII.

We all are in a position to see this. Over the summer RGIII made repeated public statements about how healed he was. Yet the guy I saw take the field against Philly was not the guy that RGIII described.

RG3 is really his own worst enemy. I really do believe he thought he was healthy and focused on opening day and I don't think that there has ever been a point in time where he thought he WASN'T.

I haven't figured out if that's a good or bad thing.