Another school Shooting Nevada

[Giantone]

SPARKS, Nev. (AP) — A student at a Nevada middle school opened fire on campus just before the starting bell Monday, wounding two boys and killing a staff member who was trying to protect other children, Sparks police said Monday.



Will it ever stop?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Giantone

SPARKS, Nev. (AP) — A student at a Nevada middle school opened fire on campus just before the starting bell Monday, wounding two boys and killing a staff member who was trying to protect other children, Sparks police said Monday.



Will it ever stop?

Not until we change our gun laws.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Not until we change our gun laws.

I agree but others and the NRA disagree .

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Not until we change our gun laws.

It's not going to stop than either.


As long as we continue to give these psychopaths media time, we are going to continue breeding these kinds of numb-nuts.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

It's not going to stop than either.


As long as we continue to give these psychopaths media time, we are going to continue breeding these kinds of numb-nuts.

The kid was 12 years old ,not even a teenager. Whatever he learned about handling stress or problems he learned from adults .

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Not until we change our gun laws.

Your correct. We need to arm our teachers.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Your correct. We need to arm our teachers.

I strongly disagree with this. Even trained professionals have trouble hitting their targets in combat situations and they have routinely received multiple hours of gun training. Providing a teacher with 60 hours of training in identifying suspects, proper shooting technique under duress, and maintaining those skills would be counterproductive. While I assume you mean the teachers will be a deterrent and a shooting will be avoided, if a shooting occurs you will most likely have an intensely escalated situation. Instead trained professionals should be in place at all schools.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I strongly disagree with this. Even trained professionals have trouble hitting their targets in combat situations and they have routinely received multiple hours of gun training. Providing a teacher with 60 hours of training in identifying suspects, proper shooting technique under duress, and maintaining those skills would be counterproductive. While I assume you mean the teachers will be a deterrent and a shooting will be avoided, if a shooting occurs you will most likely have an intensely escalated situation. Instead trained professionals should be in place at all schools.

Agreed.

NYPD: 9 Civilians Near Empire State Building Were All Shot By Police: Gothamist

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Agreed.

NYPD: 9 Civilians Near Empire State Building Were All Shot By Police: Gothamist

Then it goes on to say they were not actually shot.

Police Commissioner Ray Kelly told reporters today that cops inadvertently wounded nine people yesterday after a disgruntled ex-employee killed his former boss near the Empire State Building. Kelly said the bystanders were not hit directly by police, but rather the officers' struck "flowerpots and other objects around, so ... their bullets fragmented and, in essence, that's what caused the wounds." Altogether, the two officers who confronted Jeffrey Johnson fired 16 rounds—one officer shot nine while another one shot seven.

So what your saying if a shooter came into the school and started shooting people you would rather be in the room with the unarmed teacher?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Then it goes on to say they were not actually shot.

Police Commissioner Ray Kelly told reporters today that cops inadvertently wounded nine people yesterday after a disgruntled ex-employee killed his former boss near the Empire State Building. Kelly said the bystanders were not hit directly by police, but rather the officers' struck "flowerpots and other objects around, so ... their bullets fragmented and, in essence, that's what caused the wounds." Altogether, the two officers who confronted Jeffrey Johnson fired 16 rounds—one officer shot nine while another one shot seven.

So what your saying if a shooter came into the school and started shooting people you would rather be in the room with the unarmed teacher?

Right, flower pots. That's believable. It was later confirmed by other sources that people were hit by bullets. But does it really matter what they were hit by? Bottom line is people were injured when caught in the crossfire of trained professionals. How are lesser trained individuals supposed to hold up in a similar situation?

My point is armed or not, someone intent on shooting up a public place isn't going to be deterred either way.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Then it goes on to say they were not actually shot.

Police Commissioner Ray Kelly told reporters today that cops inadvertently wounded nine people yesterday after a disgruntled ex-employee killed his former boss near the Empire State Building. Kelly said the bystanders were not hit directly by police, but rather the officers' struck "flowerpots and other objects around, so ... their bullets fragmented and, in essence, that's what caused the wounds." Altogether, the two officers who confronted Jeffrey Johnson fired 16 rounds—one officer shot nine while another one shot seven.

So what your saying if a shooter came into the school and started shooting people you would rather be in the room with the unarmed teacher?

I can honestly say I do not want to be armed in my classroom or have my child's teacher armed in their classroom. If the NYC hit ratio under duress is 18% and LAPD is 29%. What would it be for untrained civillians? I don't understand why people are so adement about being against trained professionals in the schools. You wouldn't ask your mechanic to bake you a cake, or your librarian to put up dry wall, why would you trust someone not adept at performing a task to perform it? I am not anti gun I just want them to be in appropriate hands.