Another school Shooting Nevada

[MTK]

Yes, the answer to guns is always more guns.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yes, the answer to guns is always more guns.

Kind of like the Cold War...

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yes, the answer to guns is always more guns.

Had that teacher been armed he might be here today and the killer dead. I don't like thinking we need to arm teachers but we can't leave them defenseless as we are now doing.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Had that teacher been armed he might be here today and the killer dead. I don't like thinking we need to arm teachers but we can't leave them defenseless as we are now doing.

Ok , in your world .....he aims and miss's and kills another student ,what do you tell that students parents oh well he needs more practice ?More guns aren't the answer. I'm sure the NRA will solve this for us .

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Ok , in your world .....he aims and miss's and kills another student ,what do you tell that students parents oh well he needs more practice ?More guns aren't the answer. I'm sure the NRA will solve this for us .

This case the kid was stopped but in the other cases we lost 12 to 30 plus students which one armed person could have stopped.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by firstdown

This case the kid was stopped but in the other cases we lost 12 to 30 plus students which one armed person could have stopped.

You have no proof , again as in my scenario what if the armed guard (or teacher ) miss's or kills the wrong person/student ....what if the gun goes off by accident ??? No .

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Giantone

You have no proof , again as in my scenario what if the armed guard (or teacher ) miss's or kills the wrong person/student ....what if the gun goes off by accident ??? No .

You don't just hand a teacher a gun and say if anything happens start shooting. You pick teachers who are willing to take the proper training and make them take intensive classes on how to handle a gun. Guns don't go off by accident when handled properly. Cops and people with carry permits carry guns all the time and they don't just accidently go off. The problem with your scenario is that we know what happens when the teachers are not armed and its not good. These people seem to pick places where they know people are not armed.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You don't just hand a teacher a gun and say if anything happens start shooting. You pick teachers who are willing to take the proper training and make them take intensive classes on how to handle a gun. Guns don't go off by accident when handled properly. Cops and people with carry permits carry guns all the time and they don't just accidently go off. The problem with your scenario is that we know what happens when the teachers are not armed and its not good. These people seem to pick places where they know people are not armed.

It didn't seem to deter the shooters at the DC Navy Yard or Fort Hood.

[CRedskinsRule]

nevermind

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

nevermind

Eventually the way I feel anytime I get sucked into one of these threads.

[Lotus]

I'll give firstdown credit. I don't agree with his arguments but at least he recognizes that something must be done to protect people. Unlike others who have argued for a bloody status quo, he is not in insensitive denial of the problems created by gun violence.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Had that teacher been armed he might be here today and the killer dead. I don't like thinking we need to arm teachers but we can't leave them defenseless as we are now doing.

Sorry I just can't get on board with this line of thinking.

Where does the gun get stored in the classroom to keep it away from the kids yet gives the teacher quick enough access? What about the liability involved if a kid somehow gets a hold of it? Who is going to pay to train everyone to properly use it? And finally I just hate the message it sends overall to society. Teachers with guns? WTF is the world coming to? And in the end it's not going to deter gun violence.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Had that teacher been armed he might be here today and the killer dead. I don't like thinking we need to arm teachers but we can't leave them defenseless as we are now doing.

Or we could make sure that the shooter had no gun. Then the teacher would be free to do, I don't know, teach?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Or we could make sure that the shooter had no gun. Then the teacher would be free to do, I don't know, teach?

Like making drugs illegal?

It would be nice if the teachers could just teach but that's not todays world.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Like making drugs illegal?

It would be nice if the teachers could just teach but that's not todays world.

Drugs and guns are not the same thing. It is easier to get drugs through a prohibition than it is to get guns. Just ask Australia.

As for teachers, it is today's world (I am a teacher) unless someone demands that teachers pack heat.

Also, it is quite unfair to demand that teachers carry guns despite the fact that some teachers would be opposed to doing so. I thought that the Republicans were the party of individual liberty - where's the individual liberty of requiring people to carry guns just so they can teach?