Ramsey/Brunell: a closer look

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

A very good post Matty, but ultimately I disagree with you. Only time will tell who is right, but in my mind I know that Brunell is not the answer. He will likely look bad (and people will make excuses for him as they did last year until they were ready to lynch him). Brunell likely will also lead us to another losing record (and people will again shift the blame away from Brunell). I know this isn't the most optimistic post, but I'd be lying if I said that I see it any other way.

You say Brunell will look bad, based on what?

Again, forget about last year, focus on what we've seen this year.

So far this year, he's looked just fine, and Ramsey is that one that has looked bad.

Yet people are making excuses for Ramsey.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You say Brunell will look bad, based on what?

Again, forget about last year, focus on what we've seen this year.

So far this year, he's looked just fine, and Ramsey is that one that has looked bad.

Yet people are making excuses for Ramsey.

so far he's on track for 87yards/game passing :/

I think you're point about maybe ramsey could only handle dink and dunk is a bit flawed... maybe that's all gibbs wanted to let him do, but maybe if he had more open passing he would have looked better than a screen offense. last year ramsey's last 5 games avg 20.4 points and brunell had closer to 14ppg. We'll see how it works out, but I don't think brunell gives us as good a chance.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You say Brunell will look bad, based on what?

Again, forget about last year, focus on what we've seen this year.

So far this year, he's looked just fine, and Ramsey is that one that has looked bad.

Yet people are making excuses for Ramsey.

I agree with you on your analysis of Ramsey, as hard as that is given I've been a diehard PR fan. It probably is time for him to go, and after this I doubt he'll ever start in Washington again. Like it or not, he is completely disenchanted and wants out as soon as possible.

I don't, however, agree with your analysis of Brunell. For one, I refuse to "forget about last year." History is important and provides a pattern and precedent for the future. Can you predict with 100% accuracy based on the past? Of course not. But simply forgetting it just isn't smart.

Brunell has shown me nothing this preseason or in his backup effort Sunday. I'm willing to accept preseason as mildly helpful, but given Brunell was playing against backups, his stats are all but meaningless. He was 8/14 for 70 yards and no scores. Granted he had no INTs, but I think we need something far better than a QB who simply "doesn't make mistakes." I could probably manage to suit up, get in the game at QB and just chuck the ball to the sideline every play and "not make mistakes."

I think the ONLY argument that even remotely supports Brunell is that PERHAPS what we need is a QB who "doesn't make mistakes." Someone to hand the ball off to Portis, complete the occasional dink and dunk and simply not screw up.

Unfortunately that doesn't make a championship team. All the teams that have beenin consistent competition for the Super Bowl and consistent playoff contenders do NOT operate a system where the QB simply has to "not screw up."

If we're gonna have a glimmer of hope at making the playoffs, we need a QB who can lead, manage the offense, work with the team, and F-ING score.

Right now that's probably not Ramsey, and it sure as hell isn't Brunell.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mheisig

If we're gonna have a glimmer of hope at making the playoffs, we need a QB who can lead, manage the offense, work with the team, and F-ING score.

Right now that's probably not Ramsey, and it sure as hell isn't Brunell.

Probably not Ramsey?? How about definitely not Ramsey, and the jury is still out on Brunell.

We've seen what Ramsey can do, how about we give Brunell a shot, people are writing him off based on last year.

You say history means something, well how about looking at Brunell's entire body of work and not just an injury plagued struggle with a new team and an outdated offense.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Probably not Ramsey?? How about definitely not Ramsey, and the jury is still out on Brunell.

We've seen what Ramsey can do, how about we give Brunell a shot, people are writing him off based on last year.

You say history means something, well how about looking at Brunell's entire body of work and not just an injury plagued struggle with a new team and an outdated offense.

Ramsey isn't the one, agreed.

Brunell's entire body of work is mediocre at best. He's got a decent career passer rating of 83.9, but he's never scored more than 20 TDs in a season. The season he threw for the most yards (1996), he had 19 TDs and 20 INTs. Overall he's got 151 TDs and 92 INTs. That means that for every 1.6 touchdowns, he's lobbing it to the other team. Hardly mistake free.

Is Brunell the worst QB in the league? Of course not. He had some pretty good years in Jacksonville. Then they bounced him. All QBs have their streak - hell, look at Kurt Warner. Jacksonville dropped Brunell for a reason - Leftwich was better.

Brunell's stats last season are absolutely abysmal, his preseason was mediocre even against backups.

But hey, if the old guy can win games, that's fine with me. Put head-banging Gus Frerotte back in there if he can win games, I don't care.

Right now I have 0 faith in Brunell and his ability to lead this team to the Super Bowl, the playoffs, or even past .500. If he shows me something, I'll take it - so far I see nothing.

[Skinfomaniac]

BLAH BLAH BLAH !!!!
we seem to forget one man does not make a team, Gentelmen. (and i use that term loosely!!) Coach Gibbs is searching just like the rest of us for a answer and until they come together as a unit it will continue to Falter!! think back to Ryp and that superbowl team and tell me they didnt work as a unit, its time for all to step up and want to be The Washington Redskins!!! one of the best franchises, led by one of the best Coaches to ever coach the game!!!The right man will step up and lead us to the promise land. Whether it,s Brunell, or Ramsey, or Campbell or some other QB This is what coach means by CORE REDSKINS in the mean time we must continue to be the Greatest Fans In the NFL and stand by our Team and our Coach !!!
NUFF SAID
Hail to the Redskins
Skinfomaniac

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Skinfomaniac

BLAH BLAH BLAH !!!!
we seem to forget one man does not make a team, Gentelmen. (and i use that term loosely!!) Coach Gibbs is searching just like the rest of us for a answer and until they come together as a unit it will continue to Falter!! think back to Ryp and that superbowl team and tell me they didnt work as a unit, its time for all to step up and want to be The Washington Redskins!!! one of the best franchises, led by one of the best Coaches to ever coach the game!!!The right man will step up and lead us to the promise land. Whether it,s Brunell, or Ramsey, or Campbell or some other QB This is what coach means by CORE REDSKINS in the mean time we must continue to be the Greatest Fans In the NFL and stand by our Team and our Coach !!!
NUFF SAID
Hail to the Redskins
Skinfomaniac

duped post from another thread?