Ramsey wants to be traded (merged)

[Joe Knows...]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

One thing no one is talking about in here is how the rest of the team will take this. I thought that I read that Ramsey was very well liked by his teamates. If they think that he got a bum rap and not a full chance, they'll lose repsect for Gibbs.

That's the only thing that really worries me about the situation. Especially since I know Jon Jansen is best friends with him.

My thought is they'll get over it though.

[jdlea]

Jon Jansen should be apologizing because it's all his fault. If he had picked up Briggs or even picked up a penalty by tripping Briggs, Ramsey never goes down and Gibbs doesn't get a look at Brunell....J/K

[SmootSmack]

I'm not going to lie, I've been a Brunell fan for years. Since back in his Jaguars days. So I'm probably a bit biased here.

That doesn't mean I can't like Ramsey as well. And I'll admit that one reason I really started rooting for Ramsey last year wasn't so much of him but Skinz_Domin8. Sigh, you guys remember him, right? Former Warpath user who was such an ass to everyone here and was so idiotic in his anti-Ramsey bashing that I rooted for Ramsey just to spite Domin8. Petty, I know.

But what I don't get is what does Gibbs really owe Ramsey? I mean, why should he have given him a chance in the first place? Gibbs was brought back to restore the team to the glory it last enjoyed under Gibbs' first tenure, with or without Ramsey. I know, I know-if we don't question Gibbs then why have this board-but as cruel as it may sound, Gibbs really doesn't owe Ramsey anything.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

But what I don't get is what does Gibbs really owe Ramsey? I mean, why should he have given him a chance in the first place? Gibbs was brought back to restore the team to the glory it last enjoyed under Gibbs' first tenure, with or without Ramsey. I know, I know-if we don't question Gibbs then why have this board-but as cruel as it may sound, Gibbs really doesn't owe Ramsey anything.

i feel the franchise owes Ramsey but all the franchise BS he's been through aside, the team itself deserves to have the guy they trained with all offseason behind center. not the old guy with no reps this season and had his chances already and gave us 6-10.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by illdefined

i feel the franchise owes Ramsey but all the franchise BS he's been through aside, the team itself deserves to have the guy they trained with all offseason behind center. not the old guy with no reps this season and had his chances already and gave us 6-10.

So Ramsey gets one, two, three, (and so on) chances but Brunell gets just one?

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

So Ramsey gets one, two, three, (and so on) chances but Brunell gets just one?

three what? drives?? i hope you don't mean seasons, because if Brunell played under Spurrier he would be retired and in the booth next to Aikman right now.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

So Ramsey gets one, two, three, (and so on) chances but Brunell gets just one?

Tafkas, I hope you know me (via online) well enough not to take this personally....but you have to be kididng me. Brunell gets just one chance??? BRUNELL GETS JUST ONE CHANCE???? He had 9 horrific games last season, each one, Redskins fans everywhere wanted to put rail road spikes through their eyes it was so bad. Common, Brunell has has 10x the chances Ramsey has here in DC.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Tafkas, I hope you know me (via online) well enough not to take this personally....but you have to be kididng me. Brunell gets just one chance??? BRUNELL GETS JUST ONE CHANCE???? He had 9 horrific games last season, each one, Redskins fans everywhere wanted to put rail road spikes through their eyes it was so bad. Common, Brunell has has 10x the chances Ramsey has here in DC.

Not to make any excuses for Brunell, but it was clear he had a problem with his hamstring last season. The sports announcer mentioned it in the Steelers game. Brunell did not want to dissappoint Gibbs so he played. Unfortunately to our detriment. This year, his passes almost knocked Antonio Brown down in the last preseason game. He has the velocity on the ball that he is known for.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Tafkas, I hope you know me (via online) well enough not to take this personally....but you have to be kididng me. Brunell gets just one chance??? BRUNELL GETS JUST ONE CHANCE???? He had 9 horrific games last season, each one, Redskins fans everywhere wanted to put rail road spikes through their eyes it was so bad. Common, Brunell has has 10x the chances Ramsey has here in DC.

don't bother Gmanc. the Brunell lovers apparently didn't watch last season, they refuse to talk about it.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Tafkas, I hope you know me (via online) well enough not to take this personally....but you have to be kididng me. Brunell gets just one chance??? BRUNELL GETS JUST ONE CHANCE???? He had 9 horrific games last season, each one, Redskins fans everywhere wanted to put rail road spikes through their eyes it was so bad. Common, Brunell has has 10x the chances Ramsey has here in DC.

Ramsey plays under Spurrier, and it's "well poor guy had to play under Spurrier with no pass protection." Then he gets another chance last season. And he does fairly well but still makes dumb mistakes (see the INT in the endzone against the Eagles). Nonetheless, he's named the starter going into this training camp. And again, he shows flashes but makes dumb mistakes (see basically the same INT in the endzone against Carolina, was it Carolina?)

I know Brunell played poorly last season, I'm not denying what happened. But I'm convinced he wasn't entirely to blame for it. And I count that as one chance basically because nothing really changed during that time-same coach, same receivers, same offensive gameplan. Plus considering the career he's had doesn't he deserve another chance?

By the way, on a positive note (which are remarkably few and far between after a win) I really liked what I saw from Moss yesterday. He gets great separation and runs excellent routes. Not to mention steady hands and explosive speed. He's going to be a huge help to whoever is taking the snap from center.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

So Ramsey gets one, two, three, (and so on) chances but Brunell gets just one?

one chance? he had 9 god awful wretched weeks last year, that's NOT one chance.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

But what I don't get is what does Gibbs really owe Ramsey? I mean, why should he have given him a chance in the first place? Gibbs was brought back to restore the team to the glory it last enjoyed under Gibbs' first tenure, with or without Ramsey. I know, I know-if we don't question Gibbs then why have this board-but as cruel as it may sound, Gibbs really doesn't owe Ramsey anything.

He owes him exactly what he provided Brunell with. He didnt have to make him the starter, right. He did though. So why did he owe Brunell 9 weeks to f*ck things up, and he only gave Ramsey a quarter in which he didnt even play bad?

Bottom line, I think Gibbs is just looking for reasons to let Brunell play so that he can hopefully turn things around, and make Gibbs look good for picking him up in the first place.

The only things Joe Gibbs needs to worry about is winning football games. I dont care if he puts Osama Bin Laden behind center, he should be winning football games. I just dont understand why everyone thinks Mark Brunell was so good, or is going to be any better. He dosent look THAT good. He only threw for 70 yards yesterday. He looks NOTHING, ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING like he was in Jacksonville. When he was with the Jags, he could take games over and win them by himself, he was a manic. Lets not kid ourselves, he looks nothing like he used too. At this point, neither of these guys is the long term awnser, but for the love of god, the kid should have had more than 20 mintues before he got pulled.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

He owes him exactly what he provided Brunell with. He didnt have to make him the starter, right. He did though. So why did he owe Brunell 9 weeks to f*ck things up, and he only gave Ramsey a quarter in which he didnt even play bad?

Bottom line, I think Gibbs is just looking for reasons to let Brunell play so that he can hopefully turn things around, and make Gibbs look good for picking him up in the first place.

The only things Joe Gibbs needs to worry about is winning football games. I dont care if he puts Osama Bin Laden behind center, he should be winning football games. I just dont understand why everyone thinks Mark Brunell was so good, or is going to be any better. He dosent look THAT good. He only threw for 70 yards yesterday. At this point, neither of these guys is the long term awnser, but for the love of god, the kid should have had more than 20 mintues before he got pulled.

But that's the thing. Gibbs was brought in to restore the team to glory. It's not unlike when a new team owner buys a struggling team. And the owner says "I want my staff here" So he brings in the general manager he wants. The GM then brings in the coach he wants. The coach brings in his QB. There has to be a reason that when presented with his roster when he agreed to coach the team again Gibbs decided to go after another QB, and he was never obliged to hold onto Ramsey. Was he?

I don't know. I just don't get why every one thinks Brunell starting is a sign of the apocalypse

[jdlea]

I don't know why everyone is so optimistic about the 2nd Brunell season as the starter.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I don't know. I just don't get why every one thinks Brunell starting is a sign of the apocalypse

um, re: brunell sucks, watch last year's games :/