Ramsey wants to be traded (merged)

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't think the people that are supporting the switch are "blindly" following Gibbs.

I'm trying to see & understand the rationale behind the move.

If Ramsey was playing well there would be no discussion, he would be the starter.

Ramsey played himself out of the job, why is that so hard to see?

How can someone play themselves out of a job in less than half a game? By those standards, MB played himself permanently out of a job with his 8 horrible games of last year.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by LadyT

How can someone play themselves out of a job in less than half a game? By those standards, MB played himself permanently out of a job with his 8 horrible games of last year.

Less than half a game?

How about the entire offseason including OTA's, minicamp, training camp and 4 preseason games.

Ramsey had the chance to secure the job. He didn't lose the job on Sunday against the Bears. He lost it over the course of the entire offseason and preseason.

[jdlea]

Preseason games mean nothing, after this much time Joe Gibbs should know that.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Preseason games mean nothing, after this much time Joe Gibbs should know that.

They meant something for Ramsey.

If he played well and didn't throw 4 INTs, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

They meant something for Ramsey.

If he played well and didn't throw 4 INTs, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

That's why it's a mistake, IMO. Preseason games don't count for a reason. I said in another post. Roethlisberger looked terrible. The Colts were 0-5. The Broncos were 4-0.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Less than half a game?

How about the entire offseason including OTA's, minicamp, training camp and 4 preseason games.

Ramsey had the chance to secure the job. He didn't lose the job on Sunday against the Bears. He lost it over the course of the entire offseason and preseason.

Yeah, I don't think Gibbs just yanked based on what he saw in Chicago, it was more like what he saw and what he hasn't seen for the past couple of months. I think Gibbs has been stewing this one for a while.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Yeah, I don't think Gibbs just yanked based on what he saw in Chicago, it was more like what he saw and what he hasn't seen for the past couple of months. I think Gibbs has been stewing this one for a while.

Exactly. I think he gave him every chance to turn the corner. Ramsey simply didn't get it done. He worked as the starter all during the offseason. He took 90% of the snaps in training camp. All he had to do was produce and claim the job. Can anyone really say that he did that? Ramsey left the window of doubt wide open in Gibbs' mind.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Less than half a game?

How about the entire offseason including OTA's, minicamp, training camp and 4 preseason games.

Ramsey had the chance to secure the job. He didn't lose the job on Sunday against the Bears. He lost it over the course of the entire offseason and preseason.

Brunell "won" last offseason as well, what did that prove? a rhythm is established in real game situations with all your personnel, all your plays, and all your 60 minutes. not in preseason, or wearing shorts in practice. didn't last year prove that?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Less than half a game?

How about the entire offseason including OTA's, minicamp, training camp and 4 preseason games.

Ramsey had the chance to secure the job. He didn't lose the job on Sunday against the Bears. He lost it over the course of the entire offseason and preseason.

since when does preseason mean anything? its not like brunell took snaps on the first string to make a comparision.