Ramsey wants to be traded (merged)

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Will somebody please tell me what Ramsey has done to win your unrelenting support?

Was it the 65 QB rating in the preseason? The 4 INTs? Or maybe it was the 2 fumbles and 1 INT in three series worth of work against Chicago?

Talk about blindly following someone.

I never said that Ramsey had my "unrelenting" support. I just think that we have a better chance of winning with him than we do with Brunell. Ramsey may ultimately not be the answer either, but it looks like we'll never get the chance to find out. We've ALREADY found out that Brunell is not the answer, or wasn't 8 games enough of a tryout for him?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by LadyT

I never said that Ramsey had my "unrelenting" support. I just think that we have a better chance of winning with him than we do with Brunell. Ramsey may ultimately not be the answer either, but it looks like we'll never get the chance to find out. We've ALREADY found out that Brunell is not the answer, or wasn't 8 games enough of a tryout for him?

What makes you think Ramsey gave us a better chance? Is this just a feeling you have?

Well Gibbs has a feeling it's Brunell, somehow I trust his feelings more than ours.

Personally I'm willing to give a healthy Brunell a 2nd chance. A 2nd chance in an improved offense, with a QB that looks to have a better grasp on the offense.

[jdlea]

If by a better grasp you mean throwing the ball short of first downs on most third downs then this offense is doomed from the start.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jdlea

If by a better grasp you mean throwing the ball short of first downs on most third downs then this offense is doomed from the start.

Dude, you're just tossing stuff out there to see if it sticks.

Brunell converted 3 out of 6 on 3rd downs throwing. He didn't convert on 3rd and 1 with a sneak, but he converted on 4th down with a sneak.

All in all he was was personally responsible for converting 4 out of 8 3rd and 4th down chances.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

What makes you think Ramsey gave us a better chance? Is this just a feeling you have?

2004

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Well Gibbs has a feeling it's Brunell, somehow I trust his feelings more than ours.

like in 2004?

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Personally I'm willing to give a healthy Brunell a 2nd chance. A 2nd chance in an improved offense, with a QB that looks to have a better grasp on the offense.

no one will answer this: if Brunell was indeed visibly hurt, why would Gibbs keep playing him and losing game after game after game when he had a healthy young QB with experience sitting next to him? who started winning games once he was finally put in? *this* is why we're allowed to question Gibbs in the first couple years of his comeback. you accuse people of being emotionally tied to people, but why doesn't that apply to coaches?

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by illdefined

no one will answer this: if Brunell was indeed visibly hurt, why would Gibbs keep playing him and losing game after game after game when he had a healthy young QB with experience sitting next to him? who started winning games once he was finally put in? *this* is why we're allowed to question Gibbs in the first couple years of his comeback. you accuse people of being emotionally tied to people, but why doesn't that apply to coaches?

sigh. anyone? anyone?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by illdefined

no one will answer this: if Brunell was indeed visibly hurt, why would Gibbs keep playing him and losing game after game after game when he had a healthy young QB with experience sitting next to him? who started winning games once he was finally put in? *this* is why we're allowed to question Gibbs in the first couple years of his comeback. you accuse people of being emotionally tied to people, but why doesn't that apply to coaches?
sigh. anyone? anyone?

I'll take you on. Because RAMSEY SUCKED THAT PRESEASON!!!

Brunell got hurt in week 2 against the Giants. What exactly did Ramsey do up until that point to convince anyone that he could come in and play well? Hell, he threw so many INTs in that Giants game in relief of Brunell, I'm surprised he could even make a college team.

After the preseason performance and that Giants performance, what coach in his right mind would switch to Ramsey, even if Brunell's passes were soft?

Ramsey finally learned enough of the offense by week 10 to come in and play better than an injured Brunell. So then Gibbs made the switch. I can't blame Gibbs for what he did last year. And he's right on the money this year.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'll take you on. Because RAMSEY SUCKED THAT PRESEASON!!!

Brunell got hurt in week 2 against the Giants. What exactly did Ramsey do up until that point to convince anyone that he could come in and play well? Hell, he threw so many INTs in that Giants game in relief of Brunell, I'm surprised he could even make a college team.

After the preseason performance and that Giants performance, what coach in his right mind would switch to Ramsey, even if Brunell's passes were soft?

Ramsey finally learned enough of the offense by week 10 to come in and play better than an injured Brunell. So then Gibbs made the switch. I can't blame Gibbs for what he did last year. And he's right on the money this year.

finally someone answers. so Ramsey had "learned the offense" only after Brunell had already lost the season for us? convenient. dont you think 8 games worth of injured middle aged quarterback was too much?

it was Ramsey's performance in *real* games that got him the start this season, and i think that means a hell of alot more than the limited circumstances of preseason. to name Ramsey starter, dedicate the entire offseason to him and then pull him after 3 drives, is just more proof of uncertainty and you can't blame us for being completely freaked out.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by illdefined

finally someone answers. so Ramsey had "learned the offense" only after Brunell had already lost the season for us? convenient. dont you think 8 games worth of injured middle aged quarterback was too much?

it was Ramsey's performance in *real* games that got him the start this season, and i think that means a hell of alot more than the limited circumstances of preseason. to name Ramsey starter, dedicate the entire offseason to him and then pull him after 3 drives, is just more proof of uncertainty and you can't blame us for being completely freaked out.

So two fumbles in 19 minutes don't tell you anything?? They tell me that he still hasn't learned to take care of the ball. Turnovers are how you win and lose games in the NFL. How patient are you willing to be, especially when you have another veteran QB who won't turn it over nearly as much because he can scramble away?

I mean you can't possibly think Brunell will throw more picks than Ramsey. They're at least equals in that department. But you know very well that Brunell won't lose track of the pass rush and fumble as much as Ramsey does.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by illdefined

sigh. anyone? anyone?

Gibbs did stick by Brunell too long last year. I don't think anybody will deny that.

But the fact he was willing to stick with him for so long rather than going to a healthy Ramsey is telling, especially now that we've seen how inconsistent Ramsey remains.

[ArringtonRules]

See I don't think Ramsey is that inconsistent. You have to remember he is still a young QB. Plus he has never been given a clean slate by Gibbs and this coaching staff. It's as if Gibbs was waiting for him to get injured or fuck up, so that he could put his man in. I really don't understand why Gibbs is so much in love with this guy.
From Sunday's game I saw a lot of positives when Ramsey was there. There was a spark in our offense. Twice we converted on 3rd and long!! I was really impressed on how well Ramsey came back after the interception.
If I am Ramsey I would also demand to be traded. C'mon there is no point in fighiting for a position when you know that the other person has already made his mind. I am telling all of you right now that trading Ramsey is gonna cost us, as he is going to be a very good QB in any system where his headcoach believes in him. This is insane. I cannot belive that Gibbs of all the people is doing this

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Gibbs did stick by Brunell too long last year. I don't think anybody will deny that.

But the fact he was willing to stick with him for so long rather than going to a healthy Ramsey is telling, especially now that we've seen how inconsistent Ramsey remains.