Ramsey wants to be traded (merged)

[RedskinRat]

These days you can't afford to give a QB an entire season. Times change, QB's no longer get to hold the clipboard for a season and learn. Big Ben worked out for the Steelers, why not get Campbell in there?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

These days you can't afford to give a QB an entire season. Times change, QB's no longer get to hold the clipboard for a season and learn. Big Ben worked out for the Steelers, why not get Campbell in there?

Well, I don't think we hit the panic button and just give the ball to Campbell yet. If things spiral out of control, let's by mid-season then yes, give Campbell a shot. But I think it's way, way too early to even consider Campbell at this point.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

These days you can't afford to give a QB an entire season. Times change, QB's no longer get to hold the clipboard for a season and learn. Big Ben worked out for the Steelers, why not get Campbell in there?

Well I think Campbell is a turnover waiting to happen too. He threw INTs against the 3rd team scrubs in preseason. I don't think that's the answer yet.

I mean, the Steelers only went to Big Ben because Maddox got hurt and he was the next best option. They just lucked out on a rookie QB.

As long as we have Brunell, we shouldn't be playing Campbell yet. Otherwise we're just kind of taking a blind shot in the dark.

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

These days you can't afford to give a QB an entire season. Times change, QB's no longer get to hold the clipboard for a season and learn. Big Ben worked out for the Steelers, why not get Campbell in there?

I agree with you, but obviously Gibbs does not. He basically gave MB the entire season last year. By the time he made the change (it was either in game 9 or 10) the season was over with, for all intents and purposes.

[skinsfan0201]

Well Ben R. already had a pretty good support staff. In addition Tommy Maddox got injured for a little more than a series, and by the time he got back to work the Steelers were becoming very dominant, not like the situation we have here.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan0201

Well Ben R. already had a pretty good support staff. In addition Tommy Maddox got injured for a little more than a series, and by the time he got back to work the Steelers were becoming very dominant, not like the situation we have here.

Yeah, I agree. totally different situation than what happened with Big Ben.

Apples and oranges.

[LadyT]

Question for all:


If Brunell gets hurt and can't play, what do you think Gibbs should do?

Put Ramsey back in as the starter or play the rookie?

Two scenarios: 1) the injury is early in the season and we're still in the running or 2) the injury is later and we're basically out of playoff contention.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by LadyT

Question for all:


If Brunell gets hurt and can't play, what do you think Gibbs should do?

Put Ramsey back in as the starter or play the rookie?

Two scenarios: 1) the injury is early in the season and we're still in the running or 2) the injury is later and we're basically out of playoff contention.

Ramsey isn't out of the equation just yet.

I'm sure Gibbs told him we still need you and you may still play a vital role with this team, but right now Brunell is the man.

If Brunell were to get hurt early on then most definitely Ramsey will go back in.

If it's late in the year and the team is out of it, I think it depends on if Campbell is ready.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by LadyT

I agree with you, but obviously Gibbs does not. He basically gave MB the entire season last year. By the time he made the change (it was either in game 9 or 10) the season was over with, for all intents and purposes.

If I had to second guess what Coach Gibbs was doing last season I'd say he wanted Brunell to hold steady the Offense and Ramsey prepare to take over. He didn't like what he saw from Ramsey and held on to Brunell until it was obvious THAT wouldn't bear fruit. A no-win situation.

This season Brunell has shown he can caretake the position, as someone else stated, he just can't dynamically lead the Offense to a victory.

I want Campbell, mainly because other teams have had it work miracles and the Redskins are about due a miracle of their own.

[skinsfan0201]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

If I had to second guess what Coach Gibbs was doing last season I'd say he wanted Brunell to hold steady the Offense and Ramsey prepare to take over. He didn't like what he saw from Ramsey and held on to Brunell until it was obvious THAT wouldn't bear fruit. A no-win situation.

This season Brunell has shown he can caretake the position, as someone else stated, he just can't dynamically lead the Offense to a victory.

I want Campbell, mainly because other teams have had it work miracles and the Redskins are about due a miracle of their own.

As much as I think that miracles are possible, the surrounding cast is not in place yet. Ben R's situation was not a miracle by the way. A miracle sometimes needs a little help.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

I want Campbell, mainly because other teams have had it work miracles and the Redskins are about due a miracle of their own.

This is like saying I'm going to bet on Red because the wheel has come up Black 10 times in a row. Except miracles are a lot less likely than a 50/50 spin in roullette.

[skinsfan0201]

Gibbs even said himself that he knew people were going to disagree with his decision, I think he might just be trying to teach young Ramsey a lesson as he has with Quarterbacks all throughout his tenor. In addition, did he not take our return man out for a couple of series when he fumbled on Sunday. The returner/reciever is not nearly as complex a position as Quarterback. I just think that Ramsey should stand strong one more time and ride out what could be a shorter wave. In addition he will not let Brunell tarnish his success this year.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan0201

Gibbs even said himself that he knew people were going to disagree with his decision, I think he might just be trying to teach young Ramsey a lesson as he has with Quarterbacks all throughout his tenor. In addition, did he not take our return man out for a couple of series when he fumbled on Sunday. The returner/reciever is not nearly as complex a position as Quarterback. I just think that Ramsey should stand strong one more time and ride out what could be a shorter wave. In addition he will not let Brunell tarnish his success this year.

Unfortunately, this may the wave that rides him out of Washington. Surfs up in Miami beach though!

[skinsfan0201]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Unfortunately, this may the wave that rides him out of Washington. Surfs up in Miami beach though!

P. Ramsey needs to look at Gibbs past history in these situations before seeking a trade. He was reacting led by dissappointment primarily yesterday and that will influence your reaction and decision. He might feel a little differently this morning hopefully.

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Unfortunately, this may the wave that rides him out of Washington. Surfs up in Miami beach though!

You're funny! But, I agree with you. I just don't see Ramsey coming back from this. Despite their public statements to the contrary, I think there's now too much "bad blood" between Ramsey and Gibbs for either to ever feel comfortable with the other any more.

I don't think Gibbs has any faith in Ramsey (for whatever reason) and I sure don't think Ramsey trusts Gibbs any more.