Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

Its all those given away draft picks and young players that might have been Skins who might now be leaders on this team. Of course its impossible to know what might have been I feel like the Skins could have built their future through the draft and develop their team the way other successful teams do. Kind of like compounded interest on a savings account.

Of course that's assuming they would have hit home runs on all those picks.

Besides, every new regime typically turns over a roster within a few years as they bring in their own guys.

This is clearly Mike's mess right now. Whether he gets to stay on to clean it up is the question.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Of course that's assuming they would have hit home runs on all those picks.

Besides, every new regime typically turns over a roster within a few years as they bring in their own guys.

This is clearly Mike's mess right now. Whether he gets to stay on to clean it up is the question.

I'm not surprised you see the draft how you do as the Skins are always so short on picks that they have to hit a HR on the couple of picks they have in order to get any benefit from the draft. That makes the fans think the if all picks arent HRs then the draft was a failure. The draft is not about hitting HRs on all the picks, its about having lots of picks to maximize the chance of hitting maybe 1 or 2 HRs.

This is Shanny's team now but had Spurrier, Zorn & Gibbs not turned this team into a talent wasteland then MS wouldnt have had so far to go to bring this team back to competitive.

MS has finally gotten this team moving in the right direction and understand how to balance the draft with FAs. He should finish out his contract and see where the team stands then decide. The last thing this organization needs is to begin the revolving door and hot coach du jour again.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by irish

I'm not surprised you see the draft how you do as the Skins are always so short on picks that they have to hit a HR on the couple of picks they have in order to get any benefit from the draft. That makes the fans think the if all picks arent HRs then the draft was a failure. The draft is not about hitting HRs on all the picks, its about having lots of picks to maximize the chance of hitting maybe 1 or 2 HRs.

This is Shanny's team now but had Spurrier, Zorn & Gibbs not turned this team into a talent wasteland then MS wouldnt have had so far to go to bring this team back to competitive.

MS has finally gotten this team moving in the right direction and understand how to balance the draft with FAs. He should finish out his contract and see where the team stands then decide. The last thing this organization needs is to begin the revolving door and hot coach du jour again.

I agree.

"Buy the ticket, take the ride" as Hunter S Thompson would say.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

I'm not surprised you see the draft how you do as the Skins are always so short on picks that they have to hit a HR on the couple of picks they have in order to get any benefit from the draft. That makes the fans think the if all picks arent HRs then the draft was a failure. The draft is not about hitting HRs on all the picks, its about having lots of picks to maximize the chance of hitting maybe 1 or 2 HRs.

This is Shanny's team now but had Spurrier, Zorn & Gibbs not turned this team into a talent wasteland then MS wouldnt have had so far to go to bring this team back to competitive.

MS has finally gotten this team moving in the right direction and understand how to balance the draft with FAs. He should finish out his contract and see where the team stands then decide. The last thing this organization needs is to begin the revolving door and hot coach du jour again.

Ok we're talking semantics now... so say we had even 2-3 quality players left from that time, is that enough to make a big difference now? There's no saying if those guys would even be around considering Shanahan has turned over 99% of this roster in his time here, as most coaches do when they take over a team.

I think there's so many variables involved and we're too far removed to be able to place any quantifiable blame with past regimes especially one as far back now as Gibbs.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Ok we're talking semantics now... so say we had even 2-3 quality players left from that time, is that enough to make a big difference now? There's no saying if those guys would even be around considering Shanahan has turned over 99% of this roster in his time here, as most coaches do when they take over a team.

I think there's so many variables involved and we're too far removed to be able to place any quantifiable blame with past regimes especially one as far back now as Gibbs.

Gibbs isnt totally to blame, he was one part of a long series of screw-ups and mismanagement. But like I said in an earlier post, instead of helping to dig the Skins out of their hole Gibbs dug the hole deeper.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Of course that's assuming they would have hit home runs on all those picks.

Besides, every new regime typically turns over a roster within a few years as they bring in their own guys.

This is clearly Mike's mess right now. Whether he gets to stay on to clean it up is the question.

And that right there is why I'm very hesitant about getting rid of Mike Shanahan - especially after this season. The team as a whole does not need to be blown up nor does a new regime need to come in and replace what's working. The offense is fine, the offensive philosophy is fine. Give the playcalling duties to Mike if need be, but unless the 'skins are adding a few pieces to the offense, it doesn't need to be touched.

Now, the rest of the team is a different story. I like Ryan Kerrigan, but I don't really care if a new regime blows the defense and special teams completely up at all. More power to them.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

And that right there is why I'm very hesitant about getting rid of Mike Shanahan - especially after this season. The team as a whole does not need to be blown up nor does a new regime need to come in and replace what's working. The offense is fine, the offensive philosophy is fine. Give the playcalling duties to Mike if need be, but unless the 'skins are adding a few pieces to the offense, it doesn't need to be touched.

Now, the rest of the team is a different story. I like Ryan Kerrigan, but I don't really care if a new regime blows the defense and special teams completely up at all. More power to them.

Yep and another HC change is going to mean significant changes across the roster whether it's broken or not. I hope people realize that.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yep and another HC change is going to mean significant changes across the roster whether it's broken or not. I hope people realize that.

Not necessarily. Not necessarily at all, really. I mean after three seasons it'll be a different roster, but that's to be expected anyway.

A decent coach will look to use the talent already here, and of course add to it. A smart coach will use the talent already here better than it's used now, plus add more talent.

I don't think a new coach automatically has a priority to blow up the roster and try to remake the team into something different over night. Just because it's Shanny's way of operating doesn't mean the next guy takes the same approach, and that's a good thing!

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Not necessarily. Not necessarily at all, really. I mean after three seasons it'll be a different roster, but that's to be expected anyway.

A decent coach will look to use the talent already here, and of course add to it. A smart coach will use the talent already here better than it's used now, plus add more talent.

I don't think a new coach automatically has a priority to blow up the roster and try to remake the team into something different over night. Just because it's Shanny's way of operating doesn't mean the next guy takes the same approach, and that's a good thing!

You're assuming a new coaching staff is not going to touch the offense. That's a lot to assume.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

You're assuming a new coaching staff is not going to touch the offense. That's a lot to assume.

I'm hoping they do touch the offense actually. Seeing our smaller, lighter oline get trucked, especially on passing downs, and our franchise QB get trucked shortly thereafter, game after game, I'm not a believer in Mikes version of the zone blocking system. And I think Alfmo will be a great back behind any (good oline). And we all agree wr talent needs to be added. So there's plenty of touching required on offense and defense.

This notion recently sprung up that our offense good to go, this same offense that could only score 3 points in a half against the lowly Vikings, already has my ass twitching.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I'm hoping they do touch the offense actually. Seeing our smaller, lighter oline get trucked, especially on passing downs, and our franchise QB get trucked shortly thereafter, game after game, I'm not a believer in Mikes version of the zone blocking system. And I think Alfmo will be a great back behind any (good oline). And we all agree wr talent needs to be added. So there's plenty of touching required on offense and defense.

This notion recently sprung up that our offense good to go, this same offense that could only score 3 points in a half against the lowly Vikings, already has my ass twitching.

If we had even a middle of the pack D we would be much better off right now.

The offense is top 10 in yards and points.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I'm hoping they do touch the offense actually. Seeing our smaller, lighter oline get trucked, especially on passing downs, and our franchise QB get trucked shortly thereafter, game after game, I'm not a believer in Mikes version of the zone blocking system. And I think Alfmo will be a great back behind any (good oline). And we all agree wr talent needs to be added. So there's plenty of touching required on offense and defense.

This notion recently sprung up that our offense good to go, this same offense that could only score 3 points in a half against the lowly Vikings, already has my ass twitching.

This is such a ridiculously retarded post that I can't comment on what you suggest with a straight face. Let's get rid of RGIII....LOL!!! Which brings me to my next point, kids, don't do drugs.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Not necessarily. Not necessarily at all, really. I mean after three seasons it'll be a different roster, but that's to be expected anyway.

A decent coach will look to use the talent already here, and of course add to it. A smart coach will use the talent already here better than it's used now, plus add more talent.

I don't think a new coach automatically has a priority to blow up the roster and try to remake the team into something different over night. Just because it's Shanny's way of operating doesn't mean the next guy takes the same approach, and that's a good thing!

Unless you want to hire a figurehead like Zorn, a new coach always brings a new philosophy in terms of systems, personnel and team building. Look at when Denver got rid of Shanahan. McDaniels takes over and wastes no time getting rid of Cutler and later Marshall.

You can't assume a new coach is going to take over and just ride with what we've got. More often than not significant changes happen.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Unless you want to hire a figurehead like Zorn, a new coach always brings a new philosophy in terms of systems, personnel and team building. Look at when Denver got rid of Shanahan. McDaniels takes over and wastes no time getting rid of Cutler and later Marshall.

You can't assume a new coach is going to take over and just ride with what we've got. More often than not significant changes happen.

Kind of interesting that you cite two regime changes where the newcomer blows it up, and struggles mightily. I guess for you it's got to be all or nothing? Couldn't be a situation like Harbaugh in SF, Carroll in Seattle, Gruden who we see every week on the boobtube or the myriad other coaches who've taken a team with talent and made it better.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Kind of interesting that you cite two regime changes where the newcomer blows it up, and struggles mightily. I guess for you it's got to be all or nothing? Couldn't be a situation like Harbaugh in SF, Carroll in Seattle, Gruden who we see every week on the boobtube or the myriad other coaches who've taken a team with talent and made it better.

It might be an extreme example, but still, you can't rule it out. When new coaches come in it's usually because a lot is broken and the last guy couldn't get it right.

What did Carroll take over in Seattle exactly? They were a mess when he got there coming off 9 wins in 2 years.