Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Not quite. They were coming off a 5 win season in 2009 and a 4 win season in 2008.

Wow, I am amazed anyone would think a team that made the playoffs in 5 of 7 years and went to a SB wasnt a perennial playoff contender.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

Wow, I am amazed anyone would think a team that made the playoffs in 5 of 7 years and went to a SB wasnt a perennial playoff contender.

That team was in serious decline by the time he got there, why do you think they hired a new HC that came in and cleaned house?

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

That team was in serious decline by the time he got there, why do you think they hired a new HC that came in and cleaned house?

What you say is true but that doesnt take away the fact that they had been making regular playoff appearances and a SB. The bottom line is that when PC went to Seattle their team/organization was no where near as destroyed as what MS took over when he came to Wash. Nobody could turn around almost 20 years of demolition in 3 or 4 years.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

What you say is true but that doesnt take away the fact that they had been making regular playoff appearances and a SB. The bottom line is that when PC went to Seattle their team/organization was no where near as destroyed as what MS took over when he came to Wash. Nobody could turn around almost 20 years of demolition in 3 or 4 years.

I'm having trouble understanding how a SB run in 2005 contributed in any way to Carroll totally revamping that team 5 years later. Again, that team was in decline when he got there, he flipped the roster and built a winner from top to bottom in that organization.

I can see if he came in and made minimal changes, but he didn't. He gutted that team from day one. Past success or failures had nothing to do with him turning them around.

It's quite possible to turn a team around in 3-4 years. Carroll is proof of that.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'm having trouble understanding how a SB run in 2005 contributed in any way to Carroll totally revamping that team 5 years later. Again, that team was in decline when he got there, he flipped the roster and built a winner from top to bottom in that organization.

I can see if he came in and made minimal changes, but he didn't. He gutted that team from day one. Past success or failures had nothing to do with him turning them around.

It's quite possible to turn a team around in 3-4 years. Carroll is proof of that.

Seattle was in a 2 year decline when PC came in. Wash was in a 20 year decline when MS took over. The situations are not comparable in any way.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

Seattle was in a 2 year decline when PC came in. Wash was in a 20 year decline when MS took over. The situations are not comparable in any way.

You don't seem to realize the team Carroll runs now is completely different from the one that went to the SB in 2005. The front office on down, it's a new organization. So again I'll ask, what does that 2005 SB team and a few playoff runs have to do with what Carroll has been able to accomplish there?

Past successes or failures don't have an impact on the future of a team once a new regime has been in place for a reasonable amount of time and had time to turn over the roster. It's just excuses.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by irish

Seattle was in a 2 year decline when PC came in. Wash was in a 20 year decline when MS took over. The situations are not comparable in any way.

I do agree that the Redskins situation is more complex than Seattle's, however, we made the playoffs in 2007 as well, it is not like we weren't a decent football team 6 years ago. To suggest that Mike is cleaning up messes from 8 years ago much less 20 is incorrect.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I do agree that the Redskins situation is more complex than Seattle's, however, we made the playoffs in 2007 as well, it is not like we weren't a decent football team 6 years ago. To suggest that Mike is cleaning up messes from 8 years ago much less 20 is incorrect.

Exactly what I'm saying.

Outside of Moss and I believe K. Golston this team has been completely revamped under Shanahan's watch.

And we're supposed to believe what's holding us back right now is something that happened 10-20 years ago? Heck even 6-7 years ago under Gibbs? Considering the average player lasts 3 seasons that's two generations ago in football terms.