Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?

[Chico23231]

Offense def better than the defense. But it struggled immensly the first four games.

Foolish to just say the defense is to blame, especially dumb not to mention Special Teams at all. They are more a contributing factor than most think and especially key in several losses.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Offense def better than the defense. But it struggled immensly the first four games.

Foolish to just say the defense is to blame, especially dumb not to mention Special Teams at all. They are more a contributing factor than most think and especially key in several losses.

I don't think anybody is letting the offense off the hook, but when you're getting outscored 25.6 - 31.9 and you factor in all the other numbers and rankings, it's easy to see where the majority of the blame lies. Yet most of our focus is on RG3 and Kyle. Dumb.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I don't think anybody is letting the offense off the hook, but when you're getting outscored 25.6 - 31.9 and you factor in all the other numbers and rankings, it's easy to see where the majority of the blame lies. Yet most of our focus is on RG3 and Kyle. Dumb.

Yeah, if you want to pick apart and look for reasons of "why", i dont think you start with RG3 and Kyle. Its been improving, and thats what you look for down the stretch. If you want to point fingers on offense, I think you look to inconsistent play of the Oline outside of Silverback, lack of receiver play outside of Garcon. Those who want to point a finger at Garcon. Dumb.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I don't think anybody is letting the offense off the hook, but when you're getting outscored 25.6 - 31.9 and you factor in all the other numbers and rankings, it's easy to see where the majority of the blame lies. Yet most of our focus is on RG3 and Kyle. Dumb.

The focus is only there because Shanny apologists doggedly (like over and over and over and over) point to the offense as a defense of the current regime.

The same offense that can't score points when it matters. Couldn't score against a horrible Denver defense and even worst Vikings defense for an entire half of the game.

In a phrase, it's the most inconsistent, underwhelming top 10 offense I've ever seen. Inconsistent in both the short and long run, btw. Running the QB, especially one who's already suffered major injuries and definitely isn't the burly body type of a Cunningham for instance, isn't tenable.

So I don't know, ban me and/or shut the thread and discussion down I guess. We've all had our say and now it's just waiting for the end of the Shanahan era...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Goat

The focus is only there because Shanny apologists doggedly (like over and over and over and over) point to the offense as a defense of the current regime.

The same offense that can't score points when it matters. Couldn't score against a horrible Denver defense and even worst Vikings defense for an entire half of the game.

In a phrase, it's the most inconsistent, underwhelming top 10 offense I've ever seen. Inconsistent in both the short and long run, btw. Running the QB, especially one who's already suffered major injuries and definitely isn't the burly body type of a Cunningham for instance, isn't tenable.

So I don't know, ban me and/or shut the thread and discussion down I guess. We've all had our say and now it's just waiting for the end of the Shanahan era...

Just like the Shanny haters keep ignoring any success the offense has, and in fact want to point blame to that side of the ball which just continues to amaze me.

Cunningham had a burly body? LOL dude was a string bean at 6-4 215 and funny enough when he blew out his knee it came on a hit in the pocket, not on a scramble.

I swear how do you come up with this nonsense?

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Just like the Shanny haters keep ignoring any success the offense has, and in fact want to point blame to that side of the ball which just continues to amaze me.

Cunningham had a burly body? LOL dude was a string bean at 6-4 215 and funny enough when he blew out his knee it came on a hit in the pocket, not on a scramble.

I swear how do you come up with this nonsense?

I was waiting for someone to call him out on that one..

Goat where you thinking of McFlabb or Culpepper?

Those guys were "burly" not RC...

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

I was waiting for someone to call him out on that one..

Goat where you thinking of McFlabb or Culpepper?

Those guys were "burly" not RC...

And Steve McNair was a big mofo too. Cunningham was light early on but always looked like a fuller build to me than RG ever has. Just my opinion. RG doesn't help himself by playing with a "rigid" body if that makes sense. I mean the shots he takes are horrendous enough, but from boxing/kickboxing I can attest to how you take the contact makes a huge difference. Loose and limber minimizes the hits while holding yourself rigid makes everything worse.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Goat

And Steve McNair was a big mofo too. Cunningham was light early on but always looked like a fuller build to me than RG ever has. Just my opinion. RG doesn't help himself by playing with a "rigid" body if that makes sense. I mean the shots he takes are horrendous enough, but from boxing/kickboxing I can attest to how you take the contact makes a huge difference. Loose and limber minimizes the hits while holding yourself rigid makes everything worse.

Cunningham was listed at 215 when he retired, so early on he was probably closer to 200. He had skinny legs and arms much like Griffin, but both are incredible athletes. I guess you would have been in the make Cunningham a pocket passer camp back then?

As far as Griffin going 'rigid'... no idea where you're coming from. Most of the hits he takes on 2nd look aren't nearly as bad as they look at full speed, mostly because he knows how to take a hit and loosen or twist his body as needed to not take the full shot.

Any more BS you want to try to throw at the wall?

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Offense def better than the defense. But it struggled immensly the first four games.

Foolish to just say the defense is to blame, especially dumb not to mention Special Teams at all. They are more a contributing factor than most think and especially key in several losses.

The first four games, we scored 27(7 off a pick 6), 20, 20, and 24 points respectively.

The defense gave up 33, 38, 27, 14 respectively.

We need the offense to step up because the defense and special teams BOTH SUCK, and the offense stepped up to carry us last season. But Kyle and the offense aren't the problem.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

The first four games, we scored 27(7 off a pick 6), 20, 20, and 24 points respectively.

The defense gave up 33, 38, 27, 14 respectively.

We need the offense to step up because the defense and special teams BOTH SUCK, and the offense stepped up to carry us last season. But Kyle and the offense aren't the problem.

How much more can the offense step up? The defense is actually the unit that stepped up last year when the 'skins went on their 7-0 run. The offense had been playing on all cylinders all season last year.