Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Is Garcon better than Reggie Wayne? Is he better than Dez Bryant? Is he better than Jordy Nelson? How about Randall Cobb? Demaryius Thomas? Keenan Allen? Brandon Marshall? Antonio Brown? Michael Crabtree?

I kinda feel like anyone who honestly feels that Garcon is one of the best receivers in the NFL is going to dismiss the idea that someone who has been in the league three or fewer years can be better than him...but I think that's just flawed process. There's a lot of players that were drafted in the last three years at receiver who are more productive than Garcon.

You named 9.. You got 21 more?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Bucket

You named 9.. You got 21 more?

Of course there are 21 more. I wasn't going to bother with the pro bowlers, because this was a Pierre Garcon conversation.

If you want a list of receivers that have been more productive this season, you can start with these 44:

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | WIDE RECEIVERS 2013

I don't recommend making career evaluations off 9 games though. Garcon however, has been the same guy his whole career, regardless of whether his QB was Manning, Painter, or Griffin. 2012 was probably his best year, and he only played half a season.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Of course there are 21 more. I wasn't going to bother with the pro bowlers, because this was a Pierre Garcon conversation.

If you want a list of receivers that have been more productive this season, you can start with these 44:

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | WIDE RECEIVERS 2013

I don't recommend making career evaluations off 9 games though. Garcon however, has been the same guy his whole career, regardless of whether his QB was Manning, Painter, or Griffin. 2012 was probably his best year, and he only played half a season.

Because players cant improve right? Some players regress and others improve. Garcon has improved and hes 100% a top 20 WR right now.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Because players cant improve right? Some players regress and others improve. Garcon has improved and hes 100% a top 20 WR right now.

He definitely showed signs of improvement last season, particularly fighting though the foot injury.

This year? He's who he's always been. If you feel he's improved and he's playing like this, I don't know what you attribute that to. When you rattle off seven wins in a row, you need some guys to play a bit over their true talent level. That's what Garcon did for us last year.

It's not that he's not trying as hard this year or that he doesn't care, it's just that every issue he's put on tape this year (rounding off routes, dropping passes, failing to create space consistently) are issues he's shown quite often in the past.

If you really want to quibble that he's actually the 28th best receiver in football because he's a great blocker too and so I'm wrong to say he's not top 30...go ahead, I'm not going to argue if he's top 25 or top 30 or top 40. That doesn't matter. He wouldn't be in my top 30.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He definitely showed signs of improvement last season, particularly fighting though the foot injury.

This year? He's who he's always been. If you feel he's improved and he's playing like this, I don't know what you attribute that to. When you rattle off seven wins in a row, you need some guys to play a bit over their true talent level. That's what Garcon did for us last year.

It's not that he's not trying as hard this year or that he doesn't care, it's just that every issue he's put on tape this year (rounding off routes, dropping passes, failing to create space consistently) are issues he's shown quite often in the past.

If you really want to quibble that he's actually the 28th best receiver in football because he's a great blocker too and so I'm wrong to say he's not top 30...go ahead, I'm not going to argue if he's top 25 or top 30 or top 40. That doesn't matter. He wouldn't be in my top 30.

LOL.. You're so full of shit..

Ill just stop at "I don't use stats"

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Bucket

LOL.. You're so full of shit..

Ill just stop at "I don't use stats"

Keep your head up, kid. There will be better days.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Of course there are 21 more. I wasn't going to bother with the pro bowlers, because this was a Pierre Garcon conversation.

If you want a list of receivers that have been more productive this season, you can start with these 44:

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | WIDE RECEIVERS 2013

I don't recommend making career evaluations off 9 games though. Garcon however, has been the same guy his whole career, regardless of whether his QB was Manning, Painter, or Griffin. 2012 was probably his best year, and he only played half a season.

Jericho Cotchery is the 4th best WR in the league according to you? Jordy Nelson is the number 1 WR overall in the entire NFL this year? Larry Fitzgerald is the 58th best WR? That is what that stat is telling me. That is just all kinds of useless to judge a WR on. I really doubt there are many calling Cotchery a top 5 WR and Nelson the best this year.