Ramsey wants to be traded (merged)

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by illdefined

i honestly don't know. after last season he convinced me, the team, and Gibbs that he had the potential to be the long term solution. Brunell proved he wasn't, even if he DOES play magically better than last year.

yes, personnel changes are part of the NFL, but putting everything behind one guy, building a team around a "leader", than pulling the rug out from everybody including the team after 20 minutes into the season i think could be classified as 'instability'.

I disagree that Ramsey proved he had the potential to be the long term solution, and Gibbs disagrees as well as shown by the trade to bring Campbell in.

I don't think this is instability, we are arguing over the relative merits of Ramsey and Brunell who are not to be confused with Culpepper and Manning. At the end of the day I think it was the turnovers that doomed Ramsey, Brunell didn't set the world afire with his performance but he made the smart plays that allowed us to win, something that Ramsey has yet to get. I don't particularly care for the move, but I'll wait to see Brunell against the Cowboys before I criticize the move.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

Brunell didn't set the world afire with his performance but he made the smart plays that allowed us to win, something that Ramsey has yet to get. I don't particularly care for the move, but I'll wait to see Brunell against the Cowboys before I criticize the move.

i was with you until this. when did Brunell allow us to win? all his smart play did was allow us to not lose *bad*. Ramsey actually *won* games and sparked our offense with the same bad receivers, line etc.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by illdefined

i was with you until this. when did Brunell allow us to win? all his smart play did was allow us to not lose *bad*. Ramsey actually *won* games and sparked our offense with the same bad receivers, line etc.

When are we going to stop talking about last year? Get over last year guys!!!!!!!

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

When are we going to stop talking about last year? Get over last year guys!!!!!!!

If others can continuously remind us of Gibbs' glory years in the 80's, then I guess it's also appropriate that we can remind everyone of the start of Gibbs II last year.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by LadyT

If others can continuously remind us of Gibbs' glory years in the 80's, then I guess it's also appropriate that we can remind everyone of the start of Gibbs II last year.

Ok, whatever you say Lady T. You're absolutely right. We suck, we're done, Gibbs sucks. Don't jump on the bandwagon once we start winning games. Thats all I'm saying.

[illdefined]

heh, i was thinking the exact same thing LadyT. so everyone's on the same Brunell Bandwagon they couldn't wait to jump off last december. Ramsey's not the one on the "short leash"

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

Ok, whatever you say Lady T. You're absolutely right. We suck, we're done, Gibbs sucks. Don't jump on the bandwagon once we start winning games. Thats all I'm saying.

I don't think we suck and I never said that we did. That was you putting words in my mouth. I do think we're in for a VERY tough and probably disappointing year with MB at the helm. I fear it will be a repeat of last year, but I pray that it won't. I would love for Gibbs and MB to be successful. I have no personal vendetta against either of them, nor do I have a personal stake in whether or not Ramsey plays.

First and foremost, I am a Skins fan and I want us to win.

I just don't think we'll have a winning season with MB; I do think there is a chance of having one with Ramsey.

Simple as that.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by LadyT

I don't think we suck and I never said that we did. That was you putting words in my mouth. I do think we're in for a VERY tough and probably disappointing year with MB at the helm. I fear it will be a repeat of last year, but I pray that it won't. I would love for Gibbs and MB to be successful. I have no personal vendetta against either of them, nor do I have a personal stake in whether or not Ramsey plays.

First and foremost, I am a Skins fan and I want us to win.

I just don't think we'll have a winning season with MB; I do think there is a chance of having one with Ramsey.

Simple as that.

You said you'd lost ALL respect for Gibbs, would never believe anything he says ever again and we're due for a dismal season. Plus you claimed there was some sort of player revolt without actually offering any proof

http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.p...4&postcount=24

Sounds a lot like "we suck" to me

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by LadyT

If others can continuously remind us of Gibbs' glory years in the 80's, then I guess it's also appropriate that we can remind everyone of the start of Gibbs II last year.

Absolutely, it's all relevant. The 80s, 90's and even the present. But what makes this such a great debate, possibly the longest running thread in NFL fan history, is that we have such a great history to talk about in the first place.

And to me, it will make all the losing all the more redeeming when we finally get back to the Super Bowl! Hell, you think we got it bad here, think of the Red Sox fans......86 yrs and zilch! Now that's what I call steadfast!

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Absolutely, it's all relevant. The 80s, 90's and even the present. But what makes this such a great debate, possibly the longest running thread in NFL fan history, is that we have such a great history to talk about in the first place.

And to me, it will make all the losing all the more redeeming when we finally get back to the Super Bowl! Hell, you think we got it bad here, think of the Red Sox fans......86 yrs and zilch! Now that's what I call steadfast!

I like the way you can defuse a sometimes heated debate with a little humor!

Red Sox fans - now that's a case of unrequited love, isn't it? Let's hope we don't have to wait 86 years to once again reach the Promised Land!

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by LadyT

I like the way you can defuse a sometimes heated debate with a little humor!

Red Sox fans - now that's a case of unrequited love, isn't it? Let's hope we don't have to wait 86 years to once again reach the Promised Land!

But let's just suppose it does take 86 yrs for the Skins to right ship - oh, I forgot none of us assholes will be here in 86 yrs!! LOL


"Unrequited love" - damn you're good!!!

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by illdefined

i was with you until this. when did Brunell allow us to win? all his smart play did was allow us to not lose *bad*. Ramsey actually *won* games and sparked our offense with the same bad receivers, line etc.

Wrong. In every one of our wins last year Portis went over 100 yards.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Wrong. In every one of our wins last year Portis went over 100 yards.

think the passing game (or actual threat of one) had anything to do with that?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by illdefined

think the passing game (or threat of one) had anything to do with that?

Nope. Our passing game was horrid last year even WITH Ramsey. It took him some time to get into a groove.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Nope. Our passing game was horrid last year even WITH Ramsey. It took him some time to get into a groove.

maybe. but it was better than Brunell, who never "got in the groove" enough in 9 games.