Brunell Starting

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by illdefined

you guys are the one who wants to pretend last year never happened!

so you were on the Brunell bandwagon last year too?

illdefined, come on how are we going to just forget about last season? Of course, I'm not. All I'm trying to say is that this is no time to just throw the season away because Brunell is our QB now. Last season Brunell looked bad all throughout the preseason (like Ramsey did this year) and of course I wanted Ramsey in. But Ramsey looked horrible in all 4 preseason games. Brunell looked more healthy, and didn't make as many mistakes as Ramsey did. I think Gibbs sees that this team, this year, has a good chance of being at least a wildcard contender if we can eliminate the turnovers. We have a great running back, great o-line, and a potential top 5 defense. All we need is a QB who can manage the game without MISTAKES!

At least wait until we see Brunell play a whole game before we start judging him. I know, I know last year it was painful to watch him. But he was injured.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

illdefined, come on how are we going to just forget about last season? Of course, I'm not. All I'm trying to say is that this is no time to just throw the season away because Brunell is our QB now. Last season Brunell looked bad all throughout the preseason (like Ramsey did this year) and of course I wanted Ramsey in. But Ramsey looked horrible in all 4 preseason games. Brunell looked more healthy, and didn't make as many mistakes as Ramsey did. I think Gibbs sees that this team, this year, has a good chance of being at least a wildcard contender if we can eliminate the turnovers. We have a great running back, great o-line, and a potential top 5 defense. All we need is a QB who can manage the game without MISTAKES!

At least wait until we see Brunell play a whole game before we start judging him. I know, I know last year it was painful to watch him. But he was injured.

i'll put an entire regular season ahead of a several preseason games any day. as Skins fans we should know how meaningless they are, Brunell never even played with starters for heaven's sake. those are very limited circumstances, and just aren't a measure of the regular season. period.

if Brunell wasn't healthy last season than i question why he kept playing. Ramsey went in, and started winning games in the same offense. if Brunell is healthier and plays better next week, it won't prove to me that Ramsey couldn't have done the same thing becuase i think the OFFENSE is better. we did *not* get a fair chance to see Ramsey behind it. call me crazy for not believing a 35 yr old QB will get much better than the year before. even if he does, he's not the future, so why bank the franchise on him? he's great as a backup, but 3 drives WASN'T ENOUGH

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Originally Posted by illdefined

i'll put an entire regular season ahead of a several preseason games any day. as Skins fans we should know how meaningless they are, Brunell never even played with starters for heaven's sake. those are very limited circumstances, and just aren't a measure of the regular season. period.

if Brunell wasn't healthy last season than i question why he kept playing. Ramsey went in, and started winning games in the same offense. if Brunell is healthier and plays better next week, it won't prove to me that Ramsey couldn't have done the same thing becuase i think the OFFENSE is better. we did *not* get a fair chance to see Ramsey behind it. call me crazy for not believing a 35 yr old QB will get much better than the year before. even if he does, he's not the future, so why bank the franchise on him? he's great as a backup, but 3 drives WASN'T ENOUGH

As SUNRA said somewhere else (can't remember where) if Ramsey with all our new weapons at his disposal (Portis, Moss, Patten, Cooley) could not master the offense this summer when it was at its most basic then how can we entrust him with this offense when it's the regular season and we add features to the offense. And the defenses become less vanilla as well.

I've been on the Brunell Bandwagon since last season. Not because I thought he should be the starter but because I thought he still could bring something to the table, and he could be called upon when needed. Especially if Ramsey couldn't show he could be our starter yet. I still don't feel that Ramsey has shown that.

In retrospect, I think that a.) Gibbs should have probably never declared Ramsey the starter going into training camp, and b.) Brunell should have probably started a game in the preseason with the first team offense

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

As SUNRA said somewhere else (can't remember where) if Ramsey with all our new weapons at his disposal (Portis, Moss, Patten, Cooley) could not master the offense this summer when it was at its most basic then how can we entrust him with this offense when it's the regular season and we add features to the offense. And the defenses become less vanilla as well.

I've been on the Brunell Bandwagon since last season. Not because I thought he should be the starter but because I thought he still could bring something to the table, and he could be called upon when needed. Especially if Ramsey couldn't show he could be our starter yet. I still don't feel that Ramsey has shown that.

In retrospect, I think that a.) Gibbs should have probably never declared Ramsey the starter going into training camp, and b.) Brunell should have probably started a game in the preseason with the first team offense

thats more like it. well how often was Portis or Cooley even in the preseason line up? the one game Cooley was in there, i remember a certain Ramsey/Cooley TD..either way, its stands that preseason is no substitute for regular season, as Skins fans, we should know that better than anybody. and 3 possessions was not enough to dismiss all of Ramsey's post-Brunell success last season. This is obviously another faith/gut call from Gibbs, but so was getting Brunell to begin with.

it took Vermeil a while to get his instincts back after his comeback, and even if Brunell magically got younger instead of older, what happens next year? start over yet again? it's hard to see the progress. must be even harder for the team itself.

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Originally Posted by illdefined

thats more like it. well how often was Portis or Cooley even in the preseason line up? the one game Cooley was in there, i remember a certain Ramsey/Cooley TD..either way, its stands that preseason is no substitute for regular season, as Skins fans, we should know that better than anybody. and 3 possessions was not enough to dismiss all of Ramsey's post-Brunell success last season. This is obviously another faith/gut call from Gibbs, but so was getting Brunell to begin with.

it took Vermeil a while to get his instincts back after his comeback, and even if Brunell magically got younger instead of older, what happens next year? start over yet again? it's hard to see the progress. must be even harder for the team itself.

As any coach will tell you, you can't simulate preseason game speed in practice, you cant simulate regular season game speed in the preseason, and you can't simulate postseason speed in the regular season.

Personally I think Gibbs is keeping his word with his QB decisions, when he convinced Brunell to come here he promised him the starters job along with a second rd pick and 42 mil, figuring he would beat out Ramsey, but that didn't happen, Ramsey has clearly outplayed Brunell when the games count.

I keep hearing the point being brought up about last year is over and Brunell has outplayed Ramsey so far this year, and in doing so deserves to start, as if last season never happend. My question to all that hold that opinion is this, what has Gibbs done to warrent the head coaching job of this team? That is if we are not going to include the past, a lowsey preseason and a 9-7 victory over a lowsey Bear team with a rookie QB in his first game.

Forget about his personel decisions which we are starting to see that Portis is anything but a Gibbs type back 50 mil., Brunell is a third string backup at best 42 mil, and we gave up next year's draft for a QB that wont be ready for 2 years, yes thats right the same amount of time it took RYPIEN to mature whom we chose in the 4th rd I do believe, Yes a rookie who doesn't have what it takes when the coach has basically admitted neither QB has done anything to take hold of the QB job, yet we see plenty of rookies who are starting and who have started over the last several years, yet our rookie who we gave up the farm to get can't sniff the field!