Around the NFL Week 11

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by donofriose

I never said he was a smarter player, I said he has better instincts than RG3 when to get down, when to run on a pass play and running in general.

Cam Newton has played three seasons... hasn't missed a game. Part of that is size, no doubt. Part of that is him being able to slide and run out of bounds and not take unnecessary hits. I think a big part of that is also he rarely pitches the ball like RG3, which I think is the dumbest thing the Redskins do.

I see a big difference between there running styles. RG3 is a sprinter that sees a first down and will do anything to get it. Cam Newton is shiftier and has that 6th sense to him, similar to Russell Wilson. That is just my opinion on the two running styles.

The Cam-RG3 comparison is an interesting one for sure. At this point last year, there were a lot of people down on Cam.. He wasn't developing as a passer, he needed to do a better job running the offense, he wasn't maturing as a leader, his game had 'regressed'...sound familiar?

Cam is definitely bigger and his frame is more suited for taking some hits. Instinctually I think he's more naturally inclined to football than RG3 from the standpoint of elusiveness and quick movements. If you think about it, we've never seen RG3 juke someone out of their shoes, he just outruns them. Cam has short area and open field moves that are more instinct than training and repetition.

Weapons wise on offense, we are very similar to the Panthers.. One standout WR and some fillers, a playmaking TE and a yardage eating RB (and a coach under fire). Watching to see if RG follows the Cam trajectory in year #3 to start translating that into wins.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

The Cam-RG3 comparison is an interesting one for sure. At this point last year, there were a lot of people down on Cam.. He wasn't developing as a passer, he needed to do a better job running the offense, he wasn't maturing as a leader, his game had 'regressed'...sound familiar?

Cam is definitely bigger and his frame is more suited for taking some hits. Instinctually I think he's more naturally inclined to football than RG3 from the standpoint of elusiveness and quick movements. If you think about it, we've never seen RG3 juke someone out of their shoes, he just outruns them. Cam has short area and open field moves that are more instinct than training and repetition.

Weapons wise on offense, we are very similar to the Panthers.. One standout WR and some fillers, a playmaking TE and a yardage eating RB (and a coach under fire). Watching to see if RG follows the Cam trajectory in year #3 to start translating that into wins.

Eh?

Just one example

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Eh?

Just one example

Duly noted.. Is that the exception or the rule. How often does he break down in the open field and shake someone? It's honestly not a criticism, more of an observation in comparison of styles.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Duly noted.. Is that the exception or the rule. How often does he break down in the open field and shake someone? It's honestly not a criticism, more of an observation in comparison of styles.

We've been watching him for almost 2 seasons now. You seriously don't ever see him get himself out of trouble by being elusive? Yes I think his speed and quickness are his main strengths when running but he's pretty darn elusive too.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

We've been watching him for almost 2 seasons now. You seriously don't ever see him get himself out of trouble by being elusive? Yes I think his speed and quickness are his main strengths when running but he's pretty darn elusive too.

Maybe I mis-stated it a little.. My point was that he's less likely than Cam to 'juke' than he is to outrun someone. Cam's running strength is being able to break tackles and break a defender down in space with a short area move. RG3's strength as a runner is to break down the tackling angles with his speed and beat someone to a spot and potentially turn the corner. Neither is better or worse or a criticism, just a difference in styles. Not to say that RG can't do those things, it's just not his primary running strength.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Maybe I mis-stated it a little.. My point was that he's less likely than Cam to 'juke' than he is to outrun someone. Cam's running strength is being able to break tackles and break a defender down in space with a short area move. RG3's strength as a runner is to break down the tackling angles with his speed and beat someone to a spot and potentially turn the corner. Neither is better or worse or a criticism, just a difference in styles. Not to say that RG can't do those things, it's just not his primary running strength.

That's because Robert is faster than Cam.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

We've been watching him for almost 2 seasons now. You seriously don't ever see him get himself out of trouble by being elusive? Yes I think his speed and quickness are his main strengths when running but he's pretty darn elusive too.

One of my absolute "elusive" RGIII moments was in the second (?) Eagles game last year. Running down the sideline, looks like he is going to cut back into the field and an Eagle defender is just waiting to lower the boom. RGIII does a little spin out of bounds while giving the would be tackler an "O Le' " move. Just makes the Eagle player look stupid.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Eh?

Just one example

What a difference between that offensive line and how those same guys are performing terribly this year.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

What a difference between that offensive line and how those same guys are performing terribly this year.

Watching that video, I just realized why this team is losing this year. They got rid of the toilet collars! Bring back the toilet collars! LOL!

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

The Cam-RG3 comparison is an interesting one for sure. At this point last year, there were a lot of people down on Cam.. He wasn't developing as a passer, he needed to do a better job running the offense, he wasn't maturing as a leader, his game had 'regressed'...sound familiar?

Cam is definitely bigger and his frame is more suited for taking some hits. Instinctually I think he's more naturally inclined to football than RG3 from the standpoint of elusiveness and quick movements. If you think about it, we've never seen RG3 juke someone out of their shoes, he just outruns them. Cam has short area and open field moves that are more instinct than training and repetition.

Weapons wise on offense, we are very similar to the Panthers.. One standout WR and some fillers, a playmaking TE and a yardage eating RB (and a coach under fire). Watching to see if RG follows the Cam trajectory in year #3 to start translating that into wins.

This is exactly what I am saying. I think RG3 will develop into a much better passer because Cam Newton is still inconsistent, except he unlike RG3 hasn't had knee surgery that has completely thrown off his mechanics.

I think the big difference between the Panthers and the Redskins are the front 7's and the Offensive lines. The Panthers obviously prioritized those two fronts, which I hope the Redskins do as well.