Choose Your 2014 Redskins Head Coach

[GTripp0012]

I understand where the people who believe that the Redskins should keep Mike Shanahan and hire three new coordinators are coming from, I just can't believe that they think it's the best course of action.

In 2009, Shanahan got a full year to watch games impartially and build his staff as he wanted it. He wanted...the head coach of the Florida Tuskers, his son, and whoever was already here running the special teams, because that doesn't matter apparently.

That was what careful design got the Washington Redskins. The idea that forcing Shanahan to fire his handpicked coaching staff and hire from only what is currently available (in this case, he would be picking from names that can not find identical positions elsewhere) would lead to better results seems far-fetched.

And that doesn't even address the issue with the job that Mike Shanahan, specifically, has done. It ignores it.

It seems to me that if Shanahan has exceeded your expectations because of the job he did getting the team to rally in 2012, then Kyle Shanahan (specifically) and Jim Haslett (indirectly) should be getting a ton of the credit too. If you think that Shanahan's assistants are problems that cannot be overcome, the answer that follows from that thought process is to clean house, and get a more complementary staff in here that believes in a common goal.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I understand where the people who believe that the Redskins should keep Mike Shanahan and hire three new coordinators are coming from, I just can't believe that they think it's the best course of action.

In 2009, Shanahan got a full year to watch games impartially and build his staff as he wanted it. He wanted...the head coach of the Florida Tuskers, his son, and whoever was already here running the special teams, because that doesn't matter apparently.

That was what careful design got the Washington Redskins. The idea that forcing Shanahan to fire his handpicked coaching staff and hire from only what is currently available (in this case, he would be picking from names that can not find identical positions elsewhere) would lead to better results seems far-fetched.

And that doesn't even address the issue with the job that Mike Shanahan, specifically, has done. It ignores it.

It seems to me that if Shanahan has exceeded your expectations because of the job he did getting the team to rally in 2012, then Kyle Shanahan (specifically) and Jim Haslett (indirectly) should be getting a ton of the credit too. If you think that Shanahan's assistants are problems that cannot be overcome, the answer that follows from that thought process is to clean house, and get a more complementary staff in here that believes in a common goal.

Just wait till next year if they keep him, spend a lot of money on signing FA's and have a bad season. It will be kill Shanahan, I can't believe we retained him!! Then there's the other side of the coin. I say stay tuned and see what happens, still 6 games to play.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I understand where the people who believe that the Redskins should keep Mike Shanahan and hire three new coordinators are coming from, I just can't believe that they think it's the best course of action.

In 2009, Shanahan got a full year to watch games impartially and build his staff as he wanted it. He wanted...the head coach of the Florida Tuskers, his son, and whoever was already here running the special teams, because that doesn't matter apparently.

That was what careful design got the Washington Redskins. The idea that forcing Shanahan to fire his handpicked coaching staff and hire from only what is currently available (in this case, he would be picking from names that can not find identical positions elsewhere) would lead to better results seems far-fetched.

And that doesn't even address the issue with the job that Mike Shanahan, specifically, has done. It ignores it.

It seems to me that if Shanahan has exceeded your expectations because of the job he did getting the team to rally in 2012, then Kyle Shanahan (specifically) and Jim Haslett (indirectly) should be getting a ton of the credit too. If you think that Shanahan's assistants are problems that cannot be overcome, the answer that follows from that thought process is to clean house, and get a more complementary staff in here that believes in a common goal.

Just for clarity, my remarks above were "what if" only. Personally I'd like to see a fresh face on the sideline next year.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Just for clarity, my remarks above were "what if" only. Personally I'd like to see a fresh face on the sideline next year.

For the record, that is how I read your take re: three new systems. I was responding generally/did not quote you.

I do feel like you did a good job giving voice to the "what if" perspective.

[SmootSmack]

Well, neither Haslett nor Danny Smith were his 1st choice

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, neither Haslett nor Danny Smith were his 1st choice

Who was Shanny's first choice for DC?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, neither Haslett nor Danny Smith were his 1st choice

I remember he wanted Zimmer.

Which is fine. The point is that he wouldn't likely get his first choice this time through either.

[The Goat]

Watching Rob Ryan work miracles with the Saints D (bottom of the league last season) just one season into the 3-4 hybrid makes you ask so many questions about the Redskins.

[redskins5044]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Watching Rob Ryan work miracles with the Saints D (bottom of the league last season) just one season into the 3-4 hybrid makes you ask so many questions about the Redskins.

Even if we have the DC of all time this defense would still suck. Not sticking up for Haslett, just this defense lacks talent at key positions.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by redskins5044

Even if we have the DC of all time this defense would still suck. Not sticking up for Haslett, just this defense lacks talent at key positions.

The saints were dead last a year ago in total defense, they were actually one of the worst defenses of all time. They gave up 440 a game.

They didn't change much on the roster besides Vaccaro.
Ryan has done a great job turning that D around, him and Rex know their defense and even with the lack of talent on Washington, I think they both could make this unit one of the better units in the NFL. Maybe top 10.

[redskins5044]

Originally Posted by donofriose

The saints were dead last a year ago in total defense, they were actually one of the worst defenses of all time. They gave up 440 a game.

They didn't change much on the roster besides Vaccaro.
Ryan has done a great job turning that D around, him and Rex know their defense and even with the lack of talent on Washington, I think they both could make this unit one of the better units in the NFL. Maybe top 10.

i can agree with that, but also i believe some of our D struggles can be linked to our offensive struggles. When your offense can jump out to early leads it becomes easier to play defense. The league is so up and down from year to year. Last year Rob's defense struggled in Dallas, so who knows what they will be next year.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by redskins5044

i can agree with that, but also i believe some of our D struggles can be linked to our offensive struggles. When your offense can jump out to early leads it becomes easier to play defense. The league is so up and down from year to year. Last year Rob's defense struggled in Dallas, so who knows what they will be next year.

The cowboys lost 7 or 8 starters on defense last year, biggest reason for their struggles.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by redskins5044

i can agree with that, but also i believe some of our D struggles can be linked to our offensive struggles. When your offense can jump out to early leads it becomes easier to play defense. The league is so up and down from year to year. Last year Rob's defense struggled in Dallas, so who knows what they will be next year.

I agree with the offensive thought. You cannot go 3 and out or have turnovers consistently and expect your defense to come up big every single time. Just look at the Jets D, they are one of the worst scoring defenses in the NFL but that is due to how bad that offense is at times. So I agree that the Saints offense has helped that D.

Last year with Dallas, pretty much every important player was injured. Ware was playing with one arm the last game of the season. Plus look what happened to their D once Ryan left... they are now historically bad.

[30gut]

(1) A GM from a stable organization that knows how to draft

(2) HC I want someone that has either been groomed as an NFL HC, meaning they've been in a coordinator position at the NFL level long enough to have seasoning and their unit must be good. I want a HC that has experience/background on offense but especially in the passing game and for the QB position. If they know the WCO that's a plus.

(3) OC must have NFL experience as a QB coach he doesn't have to be a playcaller because if we hire an offensive minded HC they might want to be the playcaller. Would be willing to promote a former QB coach that has worked/had success with a young QB.

(4) QB Coach want a coach from the college ranks that really knows the spread offense.

(5) DC- I WANT SOMEONE THAT KNOWS HOW TO CALL A 34 DEFENSE

My ideal combination:
GM Scott Pioli
HC Tom Clements (GB) or Pete Carmichael Jr (NO)
OC Rick Dennison (TX after that staff gets canned)
QB Zac Taylor (MI after they get fired)
Passing Game Coordinator or create a position for: Phillip Montgomery (Baylor)
DC Romeo Crenel or Keith Butler (Steelers)

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by 30gut

(1) A GM from a stable organization that knows how to draft
...

This is the one thing that Snyder hasn't tried - hiring a competent GM and empowering him to select the head coach and to draft the players to fit an organizational philosophy. I want Baltimore to be the model, where Ozzy Newsome wields the most power when it comes to selecting a coach and drafting players.