Worst Mistake of the Shanahan Era

[GTripp0012]

The McNabb move was pretty inexcusable. Going into the second season with Grossman on top of the depth chart and Ryan Torain at RB was pretty much the death knell on the Shanahan era.

Mike was a dead man walking prior to the cap penalty. The RG3 trade was a blatant attempt to liquidate future assets to put a winning product on the field immediately, because after two full seasons there was zero foundation.

[irish]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The McNabb move was pretty inexcusable. Going into the second season with Grossman on top of the depth chart and Ryan Torain at RB was pretty much the death knell on the Shanahan era.

Mike was a dead man walking prior to the cap penalty. The RG3 trade was a blatant attempt to liquidate future assets to put a winning product on the field immediately, because after two full seasons there was zero foundation.

Gimme a break! Everyone and I mean everyone was onboard with the move to get RG3. The same people now saying it was too much to give away would have been screaming bloody murder that this organization wont do what's needed to win if they hadnt pulled the trigger to get RG3.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by irish

Gimme a break! Everyone and I mean everyone was onboard with the move to get RG3.

I wouldn't say that. There were some that were neither for nor against the move all together. I loved RGIII as a prospect, but I was very cautious about giving that much up for a team that needed so much. I'll still say that even if he turns out to be a HoFer. Also, you can look at my post history and verify this as well. It's not that I didn't think RGIII wasn't worth what we gave up, but that we weren't in the shape to give up that much. Once the trade is done though, there is no sense of worrying about what was given up though. It's a gamble, one that could pay off or set us back. That is still to be determined.

[Chief X_Phackter]

It's hard to argue the point about changing the defense. It is obvious that hasn't worked out at all.

I would say a close second is bringing in his son to be the OC. I can understand why he did it as a father, but not as the head coach...

So if you believe that bringing in Kyle was a mistake, then it can be argued that he has made poor decisions with all three coordinators: Offense, Defense and Special Teams...

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Going into the second season with Grossman on top of the depth chart and Ryan Torain at RB was pretty much the death knell on the Shanahan era.

This is what I can't get with in terms of logic. Exactly who else was he supposed to get? Don't forget, his first year in the uncapped year, there was a lock down on Free Agents so he was limited, and year 2 was the lock out.

So who exactly should have have gotten?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

This is what I can't get with in terms of logic. Exactly who else was he supposed to get? Don't forget, his first year in the uncapped year, there was a lock down on Free Agents so he was limited, and year 2 was the lock out.

So who exactly should have have gotten?

If you honestly think that he was that devoid of options, which isn't reality, he should have kept McNabb. Just releasing McNabb and making no other QB moves is not a solution. Matt Hasselbeck was available, just to name an unexciting veteran.

The 2011 draft was one of the better drafts for QBs. The 2010 draft was not, but there were non-first rounders who could have helped this teams situation, although that would have meant no roster spot for John Beck, so you can see the solution there.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If you honestly think that he was that devoid of options, which isn't reality, he should have kept McNabb. Just releasing McNabb and making no other QB moves is not a solution. Matt Hasselbeck was available, just to name an unexciting veteran.

Ok, and tell me what he ended up signing for with the Titans and then tell me would you have signed him. Still you haven't given any options other than...."it was bad". Let's hear some options, and look at the salary ramifications on those people you would have signed. Come on GT, put some effort into it.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Ok, and tell me what he ended up signing for with the Titans and then tell me would you have signed him. Still you haven't given any options other than...."it was bad". Let's hear some options, and look at the salary ramifications on those people you would have signed. Come on GT, put some effort into it.

$7 mil/yr. Would I have signed him? As opposed to what the Redskins did? Of course. However, iirc, he wasn't even on top of my FA rankings that year. Better options were available.

Here is the drafted QB class of 2011:

Draft Finder Query Results - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Newton would have cost a Griffin-like package to get, but after actually giving up those picks for Griffin, you can't even say he was unobtainable.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The 2011 draft was one of the better drafts for QBs. The 2010 draft was not, but there were non-first rounders who could have helped this teams situation, although that would have meant no roster spot for John Beck, so you can see the solution there.

For arguments sake, here are the QB that were available in the respective drafts at our draft slot in the Shanahan era.. Is there anyone in the list you'd rather have over RGIII, even considering the price?

2010 Tebow, Clausen, McCoy
2011 Gabbert, Ponder, Dalton, Kaepernick, Mallett
2012 Tannehill, Weeden, Osweiler, Wilson, Foles

IMO, perhaps Dalton but I'm not sold that he hasn't already reached his ceiling. Kaepernick or Wilson I'd be fine with but only because of the cost of picks. Also think that Dalton or Kaepernick would have meant 'over drafting' them in the 1st round that year or trading picks to move up in the 2nd round.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

For arguments sake, here are the QB that were available in the respective drafts at our draft slot in the Shanahan era.. Is there anyone in the list you'd rather have over RGIII, even considering the price?

2010 Tebow, Clausen, McCoy
2011 Gabbert, Ponder, Dalton, Kaepernick, Mallett
2012 Tannehill, Weeden, Osweiler, Wilson, Foles

IMO, perhaps Dalton but I'm not sold that he hasn't already reached his ceiling. Kaepernick or Wilson I'd be fine with but only because of the cost of picks. Also think that Dalton or Kaepernick would have meant 'over drafting' them in the 1st round that year or trading picks to move up in the 2nd round.

One of the reasons this is a bad team is because of the trade. It's not the only reason, but one of them.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

One of the reasons this is a bad team is because of the trade. It's not the only reason, but one of them.

So I'm curious, specifically which 2 players (which is the net loss of the trade so far) would have impacted our fortunes this season?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

So I'm curious, specifically which 2 players (which is the net loss of the trade so far) would have impacted our fortunes this season?

U can't win. Getting a franchise qb was the obvious wrong move.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

So I'm curious, specifically which 2 players (which is the net loss of the trade so far) would have impacted our fortunes this season?

If we didn't have Griffin, we would have three other players now (barring other trades). 2012 1st rounder, 2012 2nd rounder, 2013 1st rounder.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

So I'm curious, specifically which 2 players (which is the net loss of the trade so far) would have impacted our fortunes this season?

It's more convoluted than that since the Rams traded our #6 pick from 2012 to Dallas (drafted Morris Claiborne). I'm sure it netted them 2 or more lower picks, but not sure who they drafted. You can bet that Fox will give the full analysis at some point if Griffin continues to struggle, and the Rams do well. They may end up with #5 or better in the next draft if the Skins continue to play like they have this year.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

So I'm curious, specifically which 2 players (which is the net loss of the trade so far) would have impacted our fortunes this season?

Well since it was obvious Fletcher needed to be replaced since he's 50 hears old, perhaps we take Luke Kuechly. Not too hard of a pick. Then you go get your QB in the 2nd round. They had first round grades on Wilson and Cousins yet no one was taking either in the first, so go get one of them a round EARLY, rather than mortgage your future. Then take an olinemen this year, maybe Kyle Long and you have your pick next year. Sounds like GM 101 to me. But the Redskins do what they do best....overpay. Here's what it comes down to. Was RG3 miles better than Wilson, Foles or Cousins? No way.

If this team was a QB away from contending? Make the deal. But that simply was not the case.