2014 draft prospects Early edition

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

This draft class is not very good. Combine disappointing.

Its not even halfway over.

[Gary84Clark]

Oops I take it back OT group very talented.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I disagree. Two years is plenty. More time just allows for revisionism.

How can 2 years be plenty when you can't even judge one draft in 3 years?

Not to mention how subjective early evaluation of draft picks are to begin with, right now we have ROY campaign and one average campaign for Griffin, weighed against a lackluster performance by Tannehill (presumed qb with no trade) and good dealing by St.Louis that we would not have done anyway (not trading our pick to Dallas and they aren't offering us what they gave St Louis) .

I would think you could legitimately need 5 years from the date of the trade barring a SB or an incredible bust for Griffin.

[Lotus]

I am convinced that we will use our first pick on a WR or a TE.

What if we traded the #34 pick plus Kirk Cousins to move up and take WR Mike Evans? Or TE Eric Ebron?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

How can 2 years be plenty when you can't even judge one draft in 3 years?

Not to mention how subjective early evaluation of draft picks are to begin with, right now we have ROY campaign and one average campaign for Griffin, weighed against a lackluster performance by Tannehill (presumed qb with no trade) and good dealing by St.Louis that we would not have done anyway (not trading our pick to Dallas and they aren't offering us what they gave St Louis) .

I would think you could legitimately need 5 years from the date of the trade barring a SB or an incredible bust for Griffin.

Waiting three years (or five years) to judge a draft is basically waiting for revisionism to judge a draft.

Some prefer that methodology, I understand. Less risk of being wrong. You can fit narratives to everything after x about of time. Matt Leinart -> parties too much. Etc.

But there's a difference between writing a post-mortem on someone's career and judging assets in a trade, or judging a move in context.

Example: we didn't need the last two seasons to judge the validity of the Mike Shanahan hire. All the information we needed to conclude that it was a bad hire was available two years ago. But since then, he had his best and worst season here. Those events are part of the Mike Shanahan story, but contained no new information about the joke of a coaching search the team ran in 2009.

I'm not necessarily against revisionism in any form, but I don't think waiting until hindsight is 50/50 makes a ton of sense.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Waiting three years (or five years) to judge a draft is basically waiting for revisionism to judge a draft.

Some prefer that methodology, I understand. Less risk of being wrong. You can fit narratives to everything after x about of time. Matt Leinart -> parties too much. Etc.

But there's a difference between writing a post-mortem on someone's career and judging assets in a trade, or judging a move in context.

Example: we didn't need the last two seasons to judge the validity of the Mike Shanahan hire. All the information we needed to conclude that it was a bad hire was available two years ago. But since then, he had his best and worst season here. Those events are part of the Mike Shanahan story, but contained no new information about the joke of a coaching search the team ran in 2009.

I'm not necessarily against revisionism in any form, but I don't think waiting until hindsight is 50/50 makes a ton of sense.

So basically, unless the players have an immediate impact, the draft was a failure. However, if you wait three years to see how players develop, you are justing filling your own narrative.

Seahawks have had some bad drafts by those measures then, because those drafts weren't considered good moves at the time and it took a year or two for a lot of their high impact players to develop. Well I guess a Super Bowl Championship creates revisionist history on draft picks and how successful they are then.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by donofriose

So basically, unless the players have an immediate impact, the draft was a failure. However, if you wait three years to see how players develop, you are justing filling your own narrative.

Seahawks have had some bad drafts by those measures then, because those drafts weren't considered good moves at the time and it took a year or two for a lot of their high impact players to develop. Well I guess a Super Bowl Championship creates revisionist history on draft picks and how successful they are then.

I don't think a two year impact and immediate impact are the same thing at all. People do jump to conclusions after 4 or 5 games. But 32 games is certainly not too early.

Anyone who changes their opinion of a player after a Super Bowl is the very definition of a revisionist.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't think a two year impact and immediate impact are the same thing at all. People do jump to conclusions after 4 or 5 games. But 32 games is certainly not too early.

Anyone who changes their opinion of a player after a Super Bowl is the very definition of a revisionist.

The Rams trade basically was trading for a franchise QB. Luck went #1 and Russell Wilson got a ring. Outside of those two what other franchise QBs have been drafted? None. It will become obvious the skins won the trade when the Rams have to swallow and try to find a QB.


Rams have added lots of players and Clemens looked better than Sam. Those two WRs from West Virginia so far haven't done much. They got Quinn, they would have gotten at least one impact player anyway. Rams got more picks in quantity, but we won a division title and they have yet to make the playoffs.

[diehardskin2982]

told ya'll bout Dri Archer. Blazing Speed

[Monkeydad]

Uh oh. Stephon Tuitt is having foot surgery.

Notre Dame's Stephon Tuitt not cleared for combine - NFL.com


Maybe he'll drop a round and we can grab him later.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Uh oh. Stephon Tuitt is having foot surgery.

Notre Dame's Stephon Tuitt not cleared for combine - NFL.com


Maybe he'll drop a round and we can grab him later.

Ain't gonna happen, but it would be great to get him with our 3rd round pick.

[Irrefutable]

Maybe he'll drop a round and we can grab him later.[/quote]

I will take him in the second if the doctors clear him. Tuitt is 300lbs + with sub 5.0 speed who can stuff the run, and rush the passer.

[Bucket]

O-Line and D-line. Everyone else looks good when you have all day to throw and run, and opponent QB's have no time.

Seattle's DB's don't cover very well, they just don't need to cover very long.

[diehardskin2982]

Would you consider letting Rak walk if we signed Greg Hardy to play a JJ Watt type of DE and drafted Dee Ford to take the OLB position?

[Monkeydad]

^ Yeah, it would be a risk that would likely backfire to think he'd drop to Round 3.