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[donofriose]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I think you need to look at Shanahan's career and see the QB's he's worked with and players that have flourished under his control. Last time I checked, he's won 2 super bowl championships. Until Pete even sniffs one, I think this conversation is over.


I'm not saying Mike's done well here, just that Pete Carroll isn't a better coach than Mike. Mike's made some bad decisions here (mostly staff related) that have really affected this team in a major way. I'm just sick and fucking tired of hearing how X coach came in and turned Y team around. The problem with these anecdotal stories are that they aren't the same circumstances nor are they the same situations. How cares though right? It fits in to your hating agenda so carry on Ahab with your hunt.

Mike is bad, every other coach in the NFL is better. We get it....we really do. /s

I acknowledged if we are talking long term legacy, Shanahan is years beyond Carroll, and probably always will be but Shanahan hasn't been a good coach for almost a decade now. If you want to talk about the coaches that are coaching now and their performance, how does Shanahan compare to Carroll?
I didn't say all the teams he coached, I said the Redskins. He has had four years to develop players. I know he has developed many players on other teams, but on the Redskins he has failed. Carroll has not. He has drafted a few linemen now...none start on one of the worst lines in football besides Trent.
Right now Pete Carroll is a better coach than Mike. You know it is possible that the game has just passed Shanahan. That does happen to coaches. Not everyone can be Bill Parcells. The only thing Shanahan fans hold on to is that he was successful in Denver a decade ago.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by donofriose

I acknowledged if we are talking long term legacy, Shanahan is years beyond Carroll, and probably always will be but Shanahan hasn't been a good coach for almost a decade now. If you want to talk about the coaches that are coaching now and their performance, how does Shanahan compare to Carroll?
I didn't say all the teams he coached, I said the Redskins. He has had four years to develop players. I know he has developed many players on other teams, but on the Redskins he has failed. Carroll has not. He has drafted a few linemen now...none start on one of the worst lines in football besides Trent.
Right now Pete Carroll is a better coach than Mike. You know it is possible that the game has just passed Shanahan. That does happen to coaches. Not everyone can be Bill Parcells. The only thing Shanahan fans hold on to is that he was successful in Denver a decade ago.

Mike started to suck as a coach the moment he started having full control over team. (Denver and here). Not really a Shanahan fan either. Also, you might want to check out our OL rating at PFF. Only one with a negative rating is Chester. I don't think Pete is a better coach. I do think that Pete has a much better coaching staff than Mike. Which goes back to one of my biggest gripes with Mike. Unable to jettison dead weight on his staff.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Mike started to suck as a coach the moment he started having full control over team. (Denver and here). Not really a Shanahan fan either. Also, you might want to check out our OL rating at PFF. Only one with a negative rating is Chester. I don't think Pete is a better coach. I do think that Pete has a much better coaching staff than Mike. Which goes back to one of my biggest gripes with Mike. Unable to jettison dead weight on his staff.

Part of being a good head coach is being able to put a staff together in my opinion. Run blocking the Skins are good, but Shanahan's system always has good run blocking, that is one positive I can always say about Mike. I watch the games and I do not believe the offensive line holds well at all in terms of pass protection.

I personally think it is hard for anyone to distinguish if a coach is being successful, or if its due to his staff. You could say that about almost any coach in the NFL, besides maybe Bill. They did just lose Bradley but their defense honestly looks even better.