Rebuilding the Redskins

[jamf]

While I do think Whisenhut will be a HC with some team next year, I just don't get the appeal of hiring a guy that has a proven losing coaching record.
Whisenhut strikes me as the second coming of Norv Turner, A great coordinator but mediocre HC.

[diehardskin2982]

Jam F although Whisenhunt has a record of 45-51, He took a team in Arizona to the Superbowl as a HC, something Norv has never done. Ken has also developed QB's the likes of Kurt Warner, Big Ben, and currently Philip Rivers. A deep dive into his record shows that he only has two season as a HC below .500.

[jamf]

Warner won a superbowl and NFL MVP before he was ever "developed" by Whisenhut.
Rivers went to an AFC Championship game and 4 probowls before Whisenhut.

He is a solid OC but he doesn't deserve credit for developing Rivers and Warner.

He wasn't able to develop Matt Leinart or Derek Anderson, that would've been something...

[diehardskin2982]

Originally Posted by jamf

Warner won a superbowl and NFL MVP before he was ever "developed" by Whisenhut.
Rivers went to an AFC Championship game and 4 probowls before Whisenhut.

He is a solid OC but he doesn't deserve credit for developing Rivers and Warner.

He wasn't able to develop Matt Leinart or Derek Anderson, that would've been something...

Warner won an MVP but was on the backend of his career most recently being a backup in NY.

Rivers was also a QB thought to have hit his peek only to have a resurrection under Ken's tutelage.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Warner won an MVP but was on the backend of his career most recently being a backup in NY.

Rivers was also a QB thought to have hit his peek only to have a resurrection under Ken's tutelage.

I think we both can agree that QB's need some talent around them and a solid coaching staff to succeed.

[diehardskin2982]

Originally Posted by jamf

I think we both can agree that QB's need some talent around them and a solid coaching staff to succeed.

Agreed

[BaltimoreSkins]

Jacoby Jones is going to be available and could really bolster the KR/PR and WR role but would cost a pretty penny and I am not sure how that will all play out. He kind of fits that mold of big expenditure that we want to avoid with all the holes we have.

[Hijinx]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Jacoby Jones is going to be available and could really bolster the KR/PR and WR role but would cost a pretty penny and I am not sure how that will all play out. He kind of fits that mold of big expenditure that we want to avoid with all the holes we have.

Jones would be a good add, Or Eric Decker. Although Decker might break the bank(or get the franchise tag from Denver).

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Jacoby Jones is going to be available and could really bolster the KR/PR and WR role but would cost a pretty penny and I am not sure how that will all play out. He kind of fits that mold of big expenditure that we want to avoid with all the holes we have.

Jones would fill 2 holes - #2 WR and legit kick returner. I wanted him when he was in Houston.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Jones would fill 2 holes - #2 WR and legit kick returner. I wanted him when he was in Houston.

maybe #3 receiver (slot), but not a true #2 (garcon is a low end #1/ high end #2) ) . . . we would have to be able to sign/draft a #1/#2 in addition . . .

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

maybe #3 receiver (slot), but not a true #2 (garcon is a low end #1/ high end #2) ) . . . we would have to be able to sign/draft a #1/#2 in addition . . .

I'll agree with that, since Garçon is really a #2 playing #1 for us.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

maybe #3 receiver (slot), but not a true #2 (garcon is a low end #1/ high end #2) ) . . . we would have to be able to sign/draft a #1/#2 in addition . . .

I think receivers at this point should be a low priority for the Skins. Maybe you can get some depth at receiver in the later rounds of the draft or some cheap free agents.

[Green Monk Machine]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I think the defensive roster is (still) far better suited to a 4-3.

LDE Kerrigan
DT Cofield/backup
DT Jenkins/Golston/Bowen rotating
RDE Orakpo

MLB Riley
SLB Jackson
WLB Tapp

Hall and Amerson at corners. One of Rambo/Merriweather/Jackson starts and we need a starter at the other safety spot.

Maybe bring in a FA over Tapp, but I definitely think Riley and Jackson can hold down the other two spots.

Depth is still and issue at many positions, but at least we're making the most of our assets. Rak especially will be a beast at RDE and Kerrigan is plenty stout enough to play LDE and create some pressure too.

The offense needs more help than defense in terms of adding players/talent. 3 or even 4 new olineman and at least another starting WR.

Yup. CHanging back to a 4-3 IMO would be less shopping in FA and just require rotating guys around and they'd have the versatility at DE to drop back and cover. The only FA's on Defense needed would be in the secondary.

At DT you forgot about Baker.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Green Monk Machine

Yup. CHanging back to a 4-3 IMO would be less shopping in FA and just require rotating guys around and they'd have the versatility at DE to drop back and cover. The only FA's on Defense needed would be in the secondary.

At DT you forgot about Baker.

Thanks bro, I couldn't remember if Baker or Neild is more likely to return next year, but yeah should be a solid backup to Cofield or probably rotate in.


I don't anybody should assume the new coach will choose to blow up the defense the way Mike did, parting ways with solid guys on the roster and forcing a square peg into a round hole. A smart HC/DC will look at the defensive roster and (IMO) see the 4-3 is the better fit and go with it.


Looking at offense again, I strongly believe Helu needs to be on the field more, though not necessarily as a RB fulltime. Helu holds the Redskins record for catches in a game (from 2011 I believe), runs a 4.4 40 and has shown pretty remarkable athleticism in space. I think a smart coach will use him much like New England and San Diego use RBs, swinging them out as WRs, having them come out of the backfield a lot as pass catchers etc. Bottom line is Morris and Helu both a have much to offer and should be on the field at the same time.


Add a WR starter, a couple/few olineman and maximize the talent already on the roster like Helu and this offense is set to fly.


Fuck I hope RG doesn't sour on the franchise because of the Shanahans.

[calia]

I think the first and most challenging job a new coach will have is getting the situation with RGIII back on track. On the one hand, he cannot look like he's bending to the star player's will. But on the other hand, he cannot come in like a complete hardass and pretend that the shitstorm that has been this season might not affect the guy. That's going to be a very, very difficult thing to do -- and to do it all while establishing relationships with a bunch of guys you probably don't know and with the intense media scrutiny that comes with coaching this team will make it all the more challenging.

Whoever comes in is going to have to demonstrate some real touch right out of the box, putting aside whatever other coaching skills will be needed.

But now I know what I want for Christmas....