Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday

[SBXVII]

I find it interesting also how people said I was "Assuming" a lot when I said that MS changed the offense to suit RG3 and because of mobility issues MS switched to more of his scheme.

One only has to read between the lines... why would the coaching staff use one scheme for two years then the third year use more of a college scheme? Then this year seem to back off the college scheme so much and use more of the original scheme?

Not that we couldn't see it but now all the news comes out that RG3 has bed footwork, no pocket presence, reads only one side of the defense, etc. etc. Folks we lived through this once before in J.Campbell so none of this is new to us. It's just Campbell part 2. Although RG3 seems smarter and wiser though.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I find it interesting also how people said I was "Assuming" a lot when I said that MS changed the offense to suit RG3 and because of mobility issues MS switched to more of his scheme.

One only has to read between the lines... why would the coaching staff use one scheme for two years then the third year use more of a college scheme? Then this year seem to back off the college scheme so much and use more of the original scheme?

Not that we couldn't see it but now all the news comes out that RG3 has bed footwork, no pocket presence, reads only one side of the defense, etc. etc. Folks we lived through this once before in J.Campbell so none of this is new to us. It's just Campbell part 2. Although RG3 seems smarter and wiser though.

A smarter and wiser man does not spend his entire time recovering in the media. He is the first player I can recall doing so many interviews while he was rehabbing. You didn't see or hear from Adrian Peterson when he was rehabbing his knee. Smarter men know when to STFU.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I find it interesting also how people said I was "Assuming" a lot when I said that MS changed the offense to suit RG3 and because of mobility issues MS switched to more of his scheme.

One only has to read between the lines... why would the coaching staff use one scheme for two years then the third year use more of a college scheme? Then this year seem to back off the college scheme so much and use more of the original scheme?

Not that we couldn't see it but now all the news comes out that RG3 has bed footwork, no pocket presence, reads only one side of the defense, etc. etc. Folks we lived through this once before in J.Campbell so none of this is new to us. It's just Campbell part 2. Although RG3 seems smarter and wiser though.

Would you like to see RG-3, Shanny, or both back next year? I cannot tell who you are in favor, or not in favor of?

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I was going to post that same Bleacher Report article, though not for the same reasons; Figured it'd be the leak of the week.

Article talks about how RGII is basically a "stage dad" and that he was the one campaigning for Briles to be brought to coach next year. I'm looking at you SS, any truth to that that you know of?

Man if all of this is true I will kinda lose a lot of liking for Griffin, u can't be a brat about everything

[skinsfan69]

So tired of the drama that surrounds the RG3 corporation. It's something new every day it seems. Snyder needs to clean up this mess. His house is dirty right now.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

If the problem is Griffins attitude, firing the Shanahans and replacing him with a less accomplished head coach and offensive staff isnt going to do a damn thing to help him be a better quarterback.

Id trade Griffin for a top 10 pick if i could get it and feel like i got a steal. I know we invested alot in him, but right now he does not have the skillset, desire, or attitude to show he's worth that investment. On the flipside, Cousins, while having less athletic ability, appears light years ahead of Griffin in mechanics, decision making, coachability, and leadership. Sometimes its best to cut your losses and move on.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

If the problem is Griffins attitude, firing the Shanahans and replacing him with a less accomplished head coach and offensive staff isnt going to do a damn thing to help him be a better quarterback.

Id trade Griffin for a top 10 pick if i could get it and feel like i got a steal. I know we invested alot in him, but right now he does not have the skillset, desire, or attitude to show he's worth that investment. On the flipside, Cousins, while having less athletic ability, appears light years ahead of Griffin in mechanics, decision making, coachability, and leadership. Sometimes its best to cut your losses and move on.

You would trade a potential franchise QB because he had one bad year, after having the best year a QB has had in Washington in what feels like decades... Because you feel comfortable having a QB that at his very best will probably be Andy dalton...

Not to mention the coaching staff at Washington had proven to be one of the worst coaching staffs in the NFL, if not the worst staff... Im failing to see how getting another coaching staff will be anything but an upgrade.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by donofriose

You would trade a potential franchise QB because he had one bad year, after having the best year a QB has had in Washington in what feels like decades... Because you feel comfortable having a QB that at his very best will probably be Andy dalton...

Not to mention the coaching staff at Washington had proven to be one of the worst coaching staffs in the NFL, if not the worst staff... Im failing to see how getting another coaching staff will be anything but an upgrade.

I don't get the Andy Dalton comparison. Cousins has already shown he throws a better deep ball than Dalton. He also seems to be more mobile.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't get the Andy Dalton comparison. Cousins has already shown he throws a better deep ball than Dalton. He also seems to be more mobile.

He's more like Grossman than Dalton, IMO.

[skinsguy]

First of all, I think any talk of getting rid of Robert is ridiculous. Secondly, let's put things in perspective, shall we? Let's go back to 1993 and compare the number of starting quarterbacks of the Washington Redskins to the number of starting quarterbacks for the New England Patriots:

New England Patriots from 1993 to present:

Drew Bledsoe, Scott Secules, Scott Zolak, Tom Brady, Matt Cassel.

Washington Redskins from 1993 to present:

Mark Rypien, Cary Conklin, John friez, Rich Gannon, Heath Shuler, Gus Frerotte, Trent Green, Brad Johnson, Jeff George, Tony Banks, Danny Weurefel (ms), Shane Matthew, Patrick Ramsey, Mark Brunell, Jason Campbell, Todd Collins, Donovan McNabb, Rex Grossman, John Beck, Robert Griffin III, Kirk Cousins.

Let's take away the QBs who came in solely because the starter was out with an injury - the Patriots have two starting quarterbacks in a 20 year span. The Redskins would still have well over 15 different starters in a 20 year span. Let that sink in. Robert Griffin III had, clearly, the best year of any Redskins quarterback since 1991 last season. Yes, he regressed this season. But after two seasons, one absolutely great season, the other a mediocre season at best, you're wanting to pick him apart? I don't understand this line of thinking.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't get the Andy Dalton comparison. Cousins has already shown he throws a better deep ball than Dalton. He also seems to be more mobile.

I also thought it funny the sports junkies were comparing him to Grossman and Beck with his INT's.

HELLO.... he's had two starts. Grossman came to us with several years under his belt as well as Beck. LOL.

I'll just be happy if the team keeps both young guns, ditches Grossman, and drafts another young QB in the mid to late rounds to sit on the practice squad for development and to learn the scheme. That way if, and it's a big if, MS stays and rights the ship and we are back in the play offs next year, whatever they do with them meaning trading one and resigning the other we would still have another young guy ready to be back up.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by donofriose

You would trade a potential franchise QB because he had one bad year, after having the best year a QB has had in Washington in what feels like decades... Because you feel comfortable having a QB that at his very best will probably be Andy dalton...

Not to mention the coaching staff at Washington had proven to be one of the worst coaching staffs in the NFL, if not the worst staff... Im failing to see how getting another coaching staff will be anything but an upgrade.

As I just said I wouldn't trade RG3 nor Cousins just yet, but throwing around the two words Potential and Franchise has me chuckling. Maybe Cousins is a Potential Franchise QB? Maybe RG3 never reaches his Potential everyone is talking about? Just look at J.Campbell for that reasoning.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I know we invested alot in him, but right now he does not have the skillset, desire, or attitude to show he's worth that investment.

Really? How are you coming to this conclusion?

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Really? How are you coming to this conclusion?

I don't think it's true as I think the guy busts his ass. But like the bleacher report article talked about, there are rumors circulating that, long story short, it seems like he can't take criticism and constructive help too well.

[ashvirtually]

There is a world of difference between KNOWING and BELIEVING. No, more than a world ... there's a couple billion lightyears between the two.

We have what we KNOW about Robert, and then we have all these unverified accounts and explanations about Robert (i.e., rumors).

How much veracity one wishes to attach to the latter is up to the individual (and likely to be colored by how much one wishes to BELIEVE rather than KNOW), but I prefer to put my money down on verifiable facts not assumptions and innuendo.