Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday

[SBXVII]

We have Atlanta which was a playoff team last yr and not really terrible this year, Dallas, and the Giants left to play.

Again what if: Cousins plays well, looks good in a traditional West Coast Offense, and the team wins all 3 games? would that be good enough reason to keep MS one more yr, start Cousins next yr, and only bring someone new in at DC? Then between the draft and the $36 mill upgrade the OL, WR, and defense side of the ball?

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

We have Atlanta which was a playoff team last yr and not really terrible this year, Dallas, and the Giants left to play.

Again what if: Cousins plays well, looks good in a traditional West Coast Offense, and the team wins all 3 games? would that be good enough reason to keep MS one more yr, start Cousins next yr, and only bring someone new in at DC? Then between the draft and the $36 mill upgrade the OL, WR, and defense side of the ball?

After this 3-ring circus, he not only started, but is ringleading as well? Hell no.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

After this 3-ring circus, he not only started, but is ringleading as well? Hell no.

We fans really don't know the whole situation. The media and fan base has made this a 3 ring circus. and what if MS wanted to do this a lot earlier and DS or Allen said no you will play RG3. with nothing to lose why wouldn't you bench the star, and start the back up you wanted all along anyway? If he shines you can say "see I told you so", but if he bombs... oh well you probably were going to get fired anyway.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

We fans really don't know the whole situation. The media and fan base has made this a 3 ring circus. and what if MS wanted to do this a lot earlier and DS or Allen said no you will play RG3. with nothing to lose why wouldn't you bench the star, and start the back up you wanted all along anyway? If he shines you can say "see I told you so", but if he bombs... oh well you probably were going to get fired anyway.

Did you not see how Cousins looked wiht taht o-,ine on sunday. Sack fumble Kirk. I guess you don't watch the games. Look at the statements your making you are definitley not the type that actually watches the games.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

Did you not see how Cousins looked wiht taht o-,ine on sunday. Sack fumble Kirk. I guess you don't watch the games. Look at the statements your making you are definitley not the type that actually watches the games.

Um, no cause I bailed at half-time like some other fan here suggested everyone do. lol. So I was surprised to hear the next day that Cousins was put in.

However, it's a difficult situation to put a QB in throwing him in and expecting results when he has not game planned through the week. I know everyone is supposed to be ready at all times but the back up QB get very little reps.

Also maybe now the OL might look a little better, maybe, if they know where the QB is going to be and all they have to do is set up a pocket or push defenders beyond the pocket. RG3 kept leaving the pocket sometimes running right into the pressure.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

Did you not see how Cousins looked wiht taht o-,ine on sunday. Sack fumble Kirk. I guess you don't watch the games. Look at the statements your making you are definitley not the type that actually watches the games.

Or you could watch RGIII. Hold the ball too long sack fumble. Run with the ball tackle fumble. Throw the ball up for grabs int. etc............................................... ...........................................

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

We fans really don't know the whole situation. The media and fan base has made this a 3 ring circus. and what if MS wanted to do this a lot earlier and DS or Allen said no you will play RG3. with nothing to lose why wouldn't you bench the star, and start the back up you wanted all along anyway? If he shines you can say "see I told you so", but if he bombs... oh well you probably were going to get fired anyway.

All reports points towards Snyder being almost 100% hands off, at least this season. I don't even think he has an office at Redskins Park anymore. I feel like Allen is less involved with the Skins than people think. I think he has input but Shanny has the final word.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

We have Atlanta which was a playoff team last yr and not really terrible this year, Dallas, and the Giants left to play.

Again what if: Cousins plays well, looks good in a traditional West Coast Offense, and the team wins all 3 games? would that be good enough reason to keep MS one more yr, start Cousins next yr, and only bring someone new in at DC? Then between the draft and the $36 mill upgrade the OL, WR, and defense side of the ball?

At this point, that probably depends more on the trust and confidence that Snyder and Shanahan have in one another than anything else. Remember, these last few games are meaningless for the Skins.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

At this point, that probably depends more on the trust and confidence that Snyder and Shanahan have in one another than anything else. Remember, these last few games are meaningless for the Skins.

Far from it.

I think if MS can prove his system is better, Cousins is the better QB in that system, and these last few games although do nothing for team standings is still playing against a last yr play off team (Falcons), and two divisional teams one being our rival that DS hates to lose against (Dallas) and the a team who's owner crapped down DS's throat with a penalty (Giants).

Our defense if abysmal I know and those teams will probably score a ton of points which means Cousins will have to be on point and scoring also and moving the ball. But if we can squeak out 3 decent wins..... I could see MS staying, the dumping of the read option, MS taking over the play calling, a new DC brought in, and god knows something has to be done with the special teams. Yes this team would be a cluster to the media in regards to the "franchise QB" not starting.

Look RG3 is the fan favorite I get that. RG3 must have been DS's boy he wanted I get that. but what if MS can prove that RG3 has trouble reading defenses? Cousins shows better as a pocket passer and reading defenses? Do we still just trade away Cousins, keep the fan favorite RG3, and move on?

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Look RG3 is the fan favorite I get that. RG3 must have been DS's boy he wanted I get that. but what if MS can prove that RG3 has trouble reading defenses? Cousins shows better as a pocket passer and reading defenses? Do we still just trade away Cousins, keep the fan favorite RG3, and move on?

There is next to no chance of this move being successful, but if it is, it would be an even bigger indictment of Shannahan since he gave up the farm to get Griffin. The only thing that it would prove is that he should have no control over personnel, which he has already proven at this point.

[RFKRat]

I've been anti-Shanahan for years so this is no surprise to me. But Snyder and Griffin and the rest of this dysfunctional mess is all equally to blame. As are the media and the fans.

Despite obvious issues and flaws and the history of the past 20 years, especially under Snyder, fans continued to shell out money to buy tickets, merchandise, etc and keep this raging dumpster fire going.

Nothing is going to change anytime remotely soon. Get used to five wins or less per season for probably a period of several years. It's really sad how this once proud, successful franchise has become one of the worst in pro sports.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

We have Atlanta which was a playoff team last yr and not really terrible this year, Dallas, and the Giants left to play.

Again what if: Cousins plays well, looks good in a traditional West Coast Offense, and the team wins all 3 games? would that be good enough reason to keep MS one more yr, start Cousins next yr, and only bring someone new in at DC? Then between the draft and the $36 mill upgrade the OL, WR, and defense side of the ball?

In the brief bit that I have seen Cousins this year and last year I do not think he has the big play ability that RG3 has shown from last year and to a much lesser extent this year. While a game manager type of QB can get you to the playoffs I don't think they have what it takes to succeed consistently in todays NFL. I have heard the professionals discuss Cousins quick release and comfort in the pocket and that certainly is a plus in his favor. On the other side I am concerned of some of the habits that RG3 has been developing this year like not stepping into throws. Yes he is young but he is getting to an age where habits become more challenging to break.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

In the brief bit that I have seen Cousins this year and last year I do not think he has the big play ability that RG3 has shown from last year and to a much lesser extent this year. While a game manager type of QB can get you to the playoffs I don't think they have what it takes to succeed consistently in todays NFL. I have heard the professionals discuss Cousins quick release and comfort in the pocket and that certainly is a plus in his favor. On the other side I am concerned of some of the habits that RG3 has been developing this year like not stepping into throws. Yes he is young but he is getting to an age where habits become more challenging to break.

Also heard the same about "running QB's". Many of people here have said very few QB's like RG3, McNabb, etc. etc. do not do well and don't go very far because they are often injured. Some have said they would prefer a pocket passer.

Cousins might not seem to have the "IT" factor but maybe he manages the ball well and wins the games. Sounds like Eli Manning to me.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Also heard the same about "running QB's". Many of people here have said very few QB's like RG3, McNabb, etc. etc. do not do well and don't go very far because they are often injured. Some have said they would prefer a pocket passer.

Cousins might not seem to have the "IT" factor but maybe he manages the ball well and wins the games. Sounds like Eli Manning to me.

No, sounds like John Beck to me. We been down this road. The NFC Super bowl representative will be a running QB who runs read option.

Anyway, look at Matty Ice and Schaub. classic drop back paser game managvers that have problems with athletic defensive players. Even look at Breeze , he is being meurderd this year. We thought that with John Beck and Grossman, not true so they got RG3 to give our QB some athletic ability. We tried this before with the great drop passer hope is not gonna save you from the running QB. Cousins is not that good.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

No, sounds like John Beck to me. We been down this road. The NFC Super bowl representative will be a running QB who runs read option.

Anyway, look at Matty Ice and Schaub. classic drop back paser game managvers that have problems with athletic defensive players. Even look at Breeze , he is being meurderd this year. We thought that with John Beck and Grossman, not true so they got RG3 to give our QB some athletic ability. We tried this before with the great drop passer hope is not gonna save you from the running QB. Cousins is not that good.

The only thing, the only thing that makes RG3 special is his legs. Meaning he's fast and he can run. Yes I'm all for a QB who has mobility so he can get away from pressure unlike Sexy Rexy, but I'd prefer my QB to stay in the pocket and go through is progressions if at all possible. Which brings me back to the OL which sucks.