Redskins vs. Falcons Post-Game Thread

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think it's time to let Rak go. Kruger got 8-9 million? That probably means Rak can get a little more on the open market. We've seen him now for several years and he's not worth that kind of money. The defense last year played better w/out him. I'd save the money and gamble with Jenkins, Tapp and Jackson.

I think you have to take a look at value there. Kruger is quite exceptional against mediocore o-lione talent while Rak has shown the ability to play that level against better D. An additional 1.5 could be worth it. I do agree that the D played well last year with out him and it will depend on what next years coaching staff decides to run.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

No he's not elite (not many guys are) but he's been good and at times very good. LBs that can get you 10+ sacks don't grow on trees as you say.

He May not be elite...but he sure as hell has not played for an elite coaching staff! I would really like to see a killer DC evaluate our guys for better, more efficient/inventive use before we kick 10 sacks p/yr to the curb

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Getting away from the tiring QB talk for a sec, is there any doubt about Orakpo anymore? Get a deal done with this guy asap. 7.5 sacks in the last 6 games. He's definitely having his best season.

Yeah he has,played good I agree

[MTK]

Garcon deserves some love too. 96 catches on the year, seems likely he'll break Monk's record.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Garcon deserves some love too. 96 catches on the year, seems likely he'll break Monk's record.

Garcon was a great signing by the Redskins because they recognized that he was about to become one of the top receivers in the NFL. They paid for his upside rather than for what he had already done.

Many teams sign FA's who have accomplished alot but are on the downside of their careers, thus paying for what they have done for their previous team versus what they will do for their current team.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Garcon deserves some love too. 96 catches on the year, seems likely he'll break Monk's record.

I think they said he did yesterday with 93 or maybe that was his personal best

Also he and A Brown are the only guys with 5 rec in every gm

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I think they said he did yesterday with 93 or maybe that was his personal best

Team record is Monk's 106

Garcon already beat his own best, his previous high was 70

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Team record is Monk's 106

Garcon already beat his own best, his previous high was 70

O ok yeah I bet he beats that

[Coff]

I know this has little to do with yesterday's game, but I can't help but address it. If anyone thinks we'd get more than a fourth round pick for Cousins, you're delusional. Why would teams suddenly want to give up 2nd or 3rd rounder for Cousins now when no team in the league drafter him until fourth round to begin with? And don't tell me his on-field performance has increased his value. He's thrown 118 passes. No one is going to look at that and think it's substantial enough to raise his value, even if his performances were good. But they weren't. His TD:INT ratio is 1:1. His completion percentage is a pedestrian 62%. His QB rating is league average. I'm not saying that he's looked poor, I'm just saying that he hasn't shown anything over 118 passing attempts that would make GMs around the league think that he's suddenly worth two draft rounds more than he was. Especially since his contract goes up every year and they'd be paying him more now than a they would be a second round drafted QB. Maybe a desperate team with a late third round pick would make a trade for Cousins, but that's the best case scenario.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Coff

I know this has little to do with yesterday's game, but I can't help but address it. If anyone thinks we'd get more than a fourth round pick for Cousins, you're delusional. Why would teams suddenly want to give up 2nd or 3rd rounder for Cousins now when no team in the league drafter him until fourth round to begin with? And don't tell me his on-field performance has increased his value. He's thrown 118 passes. No one is going to look at that and think it's substantial enough to raise his value, even if his performances were good. But they weren't. His TD:INT ratio is 1:1. His completion percentage is a pedestrian 62%. His QB rating is league average. I'm not saying that he's looked poor, I'm just saying that he hasn't shown anything over 118 passing attempts that would make GMs around the league think that he's suddenly worth two draft rounds more than he was. Especially since his contract goes up every year and they'd be paying him more now than a they would be a second round drafted QB. Maybe a desperate team with a late third round pick would make a trade for Cousins, but that's the best case scenario.

Color us delusion then. Someone last week (Keim maybe?) polled 6 GMs around the league and the word seemed to be a 2nd rounder seemed appropriate.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Coff

I know this has little to do with yesterday's game, but I can't help but address it. If anyone thinks we'd get more than a fourth round pick for Cousins, you're delusional. Why would teams suddenly want to give up 2nd or 3rd rounder for Cousins now when no team in the league drafter him until fourth round to begin with? And don't tell me his on-field performance has increased his value. He's thrown 118 passes. No one is going to look at that and think it's substantial enough to raise his value, even if his performances were good. But they weren't. His TD:INT ratio is 1:1. His completion percentage is a pedestrian 62%. His QB rating is league average. I'm not saying that he's looked poor, I'm just saying that he hasn't shown anything over 118 passing attempts that would make GMs around the league think that he's suddenly worth two draft rounds more than he was. Especially since his contract goes up every year and they'd be paying him more now than a they would be a second round drafted QB. Maybe a desperate team with a late third round pick would make a trade for Cousins, but that's the best case scenario.

Teams are desperate for a QB, look around the league and when you see Case Kenum, Cassel, Flynn (started for multiple teams), the kid from duke started for the Bills, Freeman, the performance of Geno Smith, etc. Teams are giving anybody a chance to come under center and lead a team. I think a 2nd round pick isnt a crazy risk for any team who believes Cousins can lead a team.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Teams are desperate for a QB, look around the league and when you see Case Kenum, Cassel, Flynn (started for multiple teams), the kid from duke started for the Bills, Freeman, the performance of Geno Smith, etc. Teams are giving anybody a chance to come under center and lead a team. I think a 2nd round pick isnt a crazy risk for any team who believes Cousins can lead a team.

Flynn is a great example because he had one helluva game and cashed it into a monster paycheck.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Flynn is a great example because he had one helluva game and cashed it into a monster paycheck.

Packers need to go ahead and sign Flynn as the official back up to Rodgers. Obviously the system and coaches make it a good fit for both.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Teams are desperate for a QB, look around the league and when you see Case Kenum, Cassel, Flynn (started for multiple teams), the kid from duke started for the Bills, Freeman, the performance of Geno Smith, etc. Teams are giving anybody a chance to come under center and lead a team. I think a 2nd round pick isnt a crazy risk for any team who believes Cousins can lead a team.

I think we are going to end up getting a second and a fifth, hopefully a fourth for Cousins.

[Jayroc24]

I have not been completely impressed with Orakpo, but we all need to keep in mind that the one year he was with Haynesworth under Blache, he was elected to the Pro Bowl. If I remember right he had 10+ sacks.
The defense as a whole has been pretty terrible the last 4 years. I do believe the is alot of talent there.....