Tell 'Em to Pack or Bring 'Em Back

[irish]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

I say let someone beat Moss in camp, at this stage in his career putting him at punt returner is down right disrespectful. I would've dropped that 3rd down passon on purpose too. That's a big eff you Kyle. Moss "the cowboy killer" has earned his Redskins due respect not Shannhan. By the way get rid that bum Cousins, he sux.

Let him go so that he could maybe catch on with another team. He's not part of the solution here in DC.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by irish

Let him go so that he could maybe catch on with another team. He's not part of the solution here in DC.

ok, I will wash your car for free if he makes it on another roster.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

I say let someon beat Moss in camp, at this stage in his career putting him at punt returner is down right disrespectful. I would've dropped that 3rd down passon on purpose too. That a big eff you Kyle. Moss "the cowboy killer" has earned his Redskins due respect not Shannhan. By he way get rid that bum Cousins he sux.

1. Moss volunteered to return punts because he is a team player.

2. Moss did not drop a pass on purpose.

3. Let me take a wild guess on one another point: you don't like Kirk Cousins, do you? I'm starting to get that impression after reading your fifty thousand posts about it.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

1. Moss volunteered to return punts because he is a team player.

2. Moss did not drop a pass on purpose.

3. Let me take a wild guess on one another point: you don't like Kirk Cousins, do you? I'm starting to get that impression after reading your fifty thousand posts about it.

Cousins is an example of bad judgement by Shannahan. He might as well have kept Rex for what Cousins can do. Or better yet, if he thought Cousins was a legit starter he should have kept the draft picks and made Cousins his starter. But he didn't.

[kct1975]

Just thought you might find this article interesting...


Kirk Cousins did prove One thing, He's still the backup
http://riggosrag.com/2013/12/30/kirk...ll-the-backup/

[Skins4L]

Orakpo of course needs to be back but DEANGELO HALL stays IMO. He stays. Still fast barely lost a step at this point hes entering his best veteran years the next couple years wed be stupid not to bring him back.

EJ Biggers I do like as well but Wilson.. later dude.. Doughty.. you were cool but later dude.. and without a doubt Josh Morgan just needs to go. Lets wipe these guys out too the Aldricks who cant run routes. I see potential in a lot of players like we all do who just don't pan out. Im going to fail to mention a lot of people right now.

[WillH]

Orakpo - honestly, it depends on his contract. I think he is a good player, but not worth an elite contract. If he will take a reasonable contract bring him back.

Rob Jackson - I want him back, Orakpo or not.

D Hall - worth bringing back depending on the contract

Fred Davis - I'm torn here. I'm really disappointed with his attitude, but he has talent, and could be productive possibly. If he wil take vet min, I might give him a shot, but anything more than that isn't worth it really. TE talent can be found pretty easily.

EDIT: I change my mind, let him go. We can find equal TE talent from someone with a better attitude and that wants to prove themselves.

Moss - I might keep him for vet min. but he would really have to beat out younger competition, and I'm not sure he can at this point.

Not sure about Perry Reilly - I have heard he can call defenses, if so, he is worth keeping around for some consistency, if not we can probably find better talent.

[T.O.Killa]

is Merriweather under contract

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

is Merriweather under contract

Yeah but the Redskins can, and probably will, void it this offseason

[DynamiteRave]

Because you've let too many guys go. You can't expect to fill 20+ spots in the draft and FA alone.

For example: You've cleaned house on the safety position, when you absolutely need to hold onto Thomas and Rambo, as you JUST drafted these guys and they need development time. You need to hold onto Doughty because he's proven to be a solid backup in case no one else sticks. From there you can draft or bring in FAs and let people duke out starting roles.

You've also cleaned house in the CB position, when you should considering signing Hall back who had a great year, hold onto Amerson, Crawford maaaybe Minnifield and potentially Gumbs who showed some potential towards the end of the year. Then start signing and drafting.

And crazily enough at TE position, you've let everyone go but Reed who has had a lingering concussion issue since college.

To me you're edging awfully close to the Cerrato method; blow up everything, keep almost no one and sign as many people as possible.

[NC_Skins]

DR is right. You can't just give half the team a pink slip even if they need it. You aren't going to be able to fill that many slots in the draft/FA. It's a process that takes time. Even when Shanny got here, he slowly changed to roster over drastically from what it was we he inherited it. Only a couple remained from the prior regime.

I expect the same thing will happen this time around. He'll use some of these guys as stop gaps till he can replace them.

[delusional optimist]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Because you've let too many guys go. You can't expect to fill 20+ spots in the draft and FA alone.

For example: You've cleaned house on the safety position, when you absolutely need to hold onto Thomas and Rambo, as you JUST drafted these guys and they need development time. You need to hold onto Doughty because he's proven to be a solid backup in case no one else sticks. From there you can draft or bring in FAs and let people duke out starting roles.

You've also cleaned house in the CB position, when you should considering signing Hall back who had a great year, hold onto Amerson, Crawford maaaybe Minnifield and potentially Gumbs who showed some potential towards the end of the year. Then start signing and drafting.

And crazily enough at TE position, you've let everyone go but Reed who has had a lingering concussion issue since college.

To me you're edging awfully close to the Cerrato method; blow up everything, keep almost no one and sign as many people as possible.

OK.I think you misunderstand what im saying.You bring guys like Rambo to camp but unless he makes a quantum leap as a player you are looking for a better option to make the final roster.I said we should bring back Thomas.There is no way Doughty or Merriweather should be back.Doughty is a 31 yr old FA who is a fringe backup player.Why resign him? Merriweather will be 30 in a few days and is a penalty waiting to happen and a FA. Why would you resign him. If your going to sign someone why would you bring back guys that have proven they can't get it done?

At CB Minniefield and Gumbs are welcome to camp as are all young players that are not guaranteed any money but to count on either would be foolish. Hall is a 30 yr old FA who has underachieved for the most part. Why resign him? You act like guys we had under contract last year are somehow still under contract when they are not.

At TE Fred Davis is a soon to be 28yr old FA who has shown no commitment and has never learned to block. Reed out played him and will start. Why bring back Davis? I was under the impression that Paulsen was a FA. I now see that he is under contract in which case i actually would bring him back.

You seem to be under the impression that all these FAs will return for free. They won't. You will have to sign them to a contract just the same as you would a potential upgrade. Why not seek the upgrade. Seems silly not to.

I'm new here but i will assume the Cerrato reference is kinda a through away term used but if you actually think about it it does not apply. Cerrato kept a lot of the same middle of the road talent year after year and pretended that if we could just add this or that superstar it would raise them to playoff level. All the while trading away draft picks and sticking with old past there prime guys. I have suggested nothing of the sort. Im suggesting we trim some fat from the roster to make room for some more young energy.


The problem we have had time after time is one coach trying to build his castle on the last guys foundation. It hasn't work. Time to take a new approach

[DCtoAZ]

This shouldn't be that difficult people ...

BACK-

Orakpo-it's funny how everyone is down on this guy, he had a couple years battling injuries. When he's healthy as in this year the guy is a solid piece of building the defense back up. Kerrigan and Orakpo on the edges is a good thing period end of story.

Perry Riley-Shows flashes of greatness and I like em especially being tutoring under Fletch. I think this guy can shine and shouldn't cost too much.

Chris Baker aka Big Swaggy - This dude gives 110% every play even in giants finale .. that means something to me and i'm sure it does to people that will be making these decisions. And he can't cost too much .. solid

EJ Biggers - Depth only

Reed Doughty - YES he needs to be back, granted he's no pro bowl safety but he's a leader and a solid special teams guy ... not to mention he always comes to play ... these are the types of guys we need to stay put

D-Hall ... again another guy people dog way to much .. he's shutdown major WR's even with the worst defense in the league he's literally a bright spot .. lay off D-Hall .. he's grown up and deserves to be here to fix this thing


Now for the don't the let the door hit ya team -

Fred Davis -- get the F outta here .. i can't believe some people want to bring back this cancer .. see ya later freddie

D. Tapp ... if he was solid he would have seen the field .. rest my case

R. Jackson ... also seems like he will be solid then doesn't .. never lives up to hype IMO

Sex Grossman .. sorry bra .. it's been real

Santana Moss ... Dude should have his name on Skins' ring of fame ... he WAS one hell of a redskins and to be honest if he came back for dirt cheap i wouldn't mind having him around for one more year .. i'm kinda on fence cause i love this dude so much .. but he's getting up there in age and it finally started to show ... tough call but we have to start improving

Josh Morgan ... still pissed about that Rams game where he threw the ball and got the 15 yd pen back in 2012 ... later dude

Josh Wilson ... yeah he reps the DMV hard .. and I like the guy .. but he gets burned so much its' painful .. later

Nick Barnett .. again never saw playing time ? has to be a reason

JD Walton .. um who the F are you .. later dude i never knew

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by DCtoAZ

This shouldn't be that difficult people ...

BACK-

Orakpo-it's funny how everyone is down on this guy, he had a couple years battling injuries. When he's healthy as in this year the guy is a solid piece of building the defense back up. Kerrigan and Orakpo on the edges is a good thing period end of story.

Perry Riley-Shows flashes of greatness and I like em especially being tutoring under Fletch. I think this guy can shine and shouldn't cost too much.

Chris Baker aka Big Swaggy - This dude gives 110% every play even in giants finale .. that means something to me and i'm sure it does to people that will be making these decisions. And he can't cost too much .. solid

EJ Biggers - Depth only

Reed Doughty - YES he needs to be back, granted he's no pro bowl safety but he's a leader and a solid special teams guy ... not to mention he always comes to play ... these are the types of guys we need to stay put

D-Hall ... again another guy people dog way to much .. he's shutdown major WR's even with the worst defense in the league he's literally a bright spot .. lay off D-Hall .. he's grown up and deserves to be here to fix this thing


Now for the don't the let the door hit ya team -

Fred Davis -- get the F outta here .. i can't believe some people want to bring back this cancer .. see ya later freddie

D. Tapp ... if he was solid he would have seen the field .. rest my case

R. Jackson ... also seems like he will be solid then doesn't .. never lives up to hype IMO

Sex Grossman .. sorry bra .. it's been real

Santana Moss ... Dude should have his name on Skins' ring of fame ... he WAS one hell of a redskins and to be honest if he came back for dirt cheap i wouldn't mind having him around for one more year .. i'm kinda on fence cause i love this dude so much .. but he's getting up there in age and it finally started to show ... tough call but we have to start improving

Josh Morgan ... still pissed about that Rams game where he threw the ball and got the 15 yd pen back in 2012 ... later dude

Josh Wilson ... yeah he reps the DMV hard .. and I like the guy .. but he gets burned so much its' painful .. later

Nick Barnett .. again never saw playing time ? has to be a reason

JD Walton .. um who the F are you .. later dude i never knew

Nice list, I'd keep more guys like others have said. Nobody has an above average roster at every position, getting rid of some of these guys would create gaping holes in our starting roster and depth that won't all get filled next season.

Fred Davis - I would let him go, but I remember seeing Vernon Davis in Mike Singletary's doghouse too, now Vernon is a productive TE. As long as we can keep him cheap, he has potential in a new regime.

Rob Jackson - He plays well. If we turn our nose up at him, might as well let 3/4 of the team go, and play scrubs. And go 0-16.

Santana Moss - Wouldn't let him go until 3 other WRs outplay him. Other than Garcon, I'm not sure you can say that about any other WR on our roster. (Hankerson, Morgan, Robinson haven't stepped up yet, IMO.)

[DynamiteRave]

I think Moss needs to retire, he'd never start for any team at this rate and I think we do need to make room for younger talent.

Barnett I think we might hold onto for depth purposes only. We definitely need to be on the lookout for a starter.