Let's talk about the front office situation

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I also think Allen is smart enough to know that if he starts messing up with personnel decisions and NOT consulting his experts, the comparisons to Vinny with be the same and he likely will suffer the same fate.

[WillH]

Is really no one else concerned that Allen implied that they are making schematic decisions without a coach in place?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by WillH

Is really no one else concerned that Allen implied that they are making schematic decisions without a coach in place?

LOL, I am...What a farce.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by WillH

Is really no one else concerned that Allen implied that they are making schematic decisions without a coach in place?

I never heard him say anything to that effect.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I never heard him say anything to that effect.

" We are going to redefine some of the characteristics that we’re looking for in players. Obviously when we have a new head coach, there will be some schematic adjustments that we will make. But that power will be with me.”

That sounds to me like they have already made schematic decisions, and I just don't get that, what coach would come in knowing he had little say over the scheme they run? Sounds like a Zorn situation to me.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by WillH

" We are going to redefine some of the characteristics that we’re looking for in players. Obviously when we have a new head coach, there will be some schematic adjustments that we will make. But that power will be with me.”

That sounds to me like they have already made schematic decisions, and I just don't get that, what coach would come in knowing he had little say over the scheme they run? Sounds like a Zorn situation to me.

When we have a new head coach

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by WillH

" We are going to redefine some of the characteristics that we’re looking for in players. Obviously when we have a new head coach, there will be some schematic adjustments that we will make. But that power will be with me.”

That sounds to me like they have already made schematic decisions, and I just don't get that, what coach would come in knowing he had little say over the scheme they run? Sounds like a Zorn situation to me.

I think that's a blatant misread on your part. He is saying that there will be a new coach and that coach will have a scheme in mind. But the power to pick the players (part of his statement that came before the part you quoted) lies with him.

He is definitely not saying he will pick the scheme and make a coach adhere to it. That would be ridiculous and frankly I can't even believe I'm entertaining this discussion.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by WillH

" We are going to redefine some of the characteristics that we’re looking for in players. Obviously when we have a new head coach, there will be some schematic adjustments that we will make. But that power will be with me.”

That sounds to me like they have already made schematic decisions, and I just don't get that, what coach would come in knowing he had little say over the scheme they run? Sounds like a Zorn situation to me.

With the bolded statement BA is saying that he will follow the preferences of a new head coach, not override those preferences. Your worry there is misplaced in BA's own words.

Look at it this way: Shanahan has unique tastes in linemen. We do not have to cater to those tastes any more, regardless of who the next coach is. I think this is what BA was trying to say.

[saden1]

So we are going to give Allen certain credit over the last 4 years but none of the blame? If you want to say he has been the GM over the last 4 years he has been a poor one, if you want to say he really didn't have full control he'd still be a poor "GM." Allen, Snyder and Shannahan have 24-40 record.

From a General Management standpoint this team has more holes than Swiss Cheese and Allen is part of this disastrous regime.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by saden1

So we are going to give Allen certain credit over the last 4 years but none of the blame? If you want to say he has been the GM over the last 4 years he has been a poor one, if you want to say he really didn't have full control he'd still be a poor "GM." Allen, Snyder and Shannahan have 24-40 record.

From a General Management standpoint this team has more holes than Swiss Cheese and Allen is part of this disastrous regime.

Didnt Allen accept some of that blame yesterday and stated some changes. You didnt see someone close lip, but someone who stood up, took a little blame and talked about the future. Another difference between Vinny and Bruce. Leadership. I really dont see, how you dont see.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Didnt Allen accept some of that blame yesterday and stated some changes. You didnt see someone close lip, but someone who stood up, took a little blame and talked about the future. Another difference between Vinny and Bruce. Leadership. I really dont see, how you dont see.

Leaders lead, they don't accept figurehead positions where they have no say. Allen is merely an Emperor without clothes that's taking the wrap for god knows what. As far as I am concerned he is just another guy on the payroll so Snyder can say "Look, I am not the GM, we have a GM!"

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by saden1

So we are going to give Allen certain credit over the last 4 years but none of the blame? If you want to say he has been the GM over the last 4 years he has been a poor one, if you want to say he really didn't have full control he'd still be a poor "GM." Allen, Snyder and Shannahan have 24-40 record.

From a General Management standpoint this team has more holes than Swiss Cheese and Allen is part of this disastrous regime.

What things should we blame Allen for? I'm no apologist, but he had zero involvement in anything that happened after the Shanahan hire.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by saden1

So we are going to give Allen certain credit over the last 4 years but none of the blame? If you want to say he has been the GM over the last 4 years he has been a poor one, if you want to say he really didn't have full control he'd still be a poor "GM." Allen, Snyder and Shannahan have 24-40 record.

From a General Management standpoint this team has more holes than Swiss Cheese and Allen is part of this disastrous regime.

Allen wasn't picking the players, it was Shanny. Plus, Allen said on his press conference that everyone was responsible and took blame. I don't think anyone has given him any credit besides the cap situation.

Shanahan takes the bulk of the blame for the last 4 years because he CHOSE HIS PLAYERS. The holes you speak of were created by Shanahan.

[Schneed10]

The notion that Allen is Snyder's puppet makes no sense. Shanahan made every decision, the only one Snyder got involved with was trading for RG3. I'd like to know who among us thought that was a mistake in 2012 when we made that deal, and who among us thought it was a mistake after his rookie year.

The blame for RG3's injury and the subsequent shit-storm that ensued lies at the feet of Shanahan.

And if you want to get up in arms about the owner having dinner with his QB, the coach needs to be able to handle that kind of thing because quite simply: who gives a flying eff. It's just f'ing dinner.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The notion that Allen is Snyder's puppet makes no sense. Shanahan made every decision, the only one Snyder got involved with was trading for RG3. I'd like to know who among us thought that was a mistake in 2012 when we made that deal, and who among us thought it was a mistake after his rookie year.

The blame for RG3's injury and the subsequent shit-storm that ensued lies at the feet of Shanahan.

And if you want to get up in arms about the owner having dinner with his QB, the coach needs to be able to handle that kind of thing because quite simply: who gives a flying eff. It's just f'ing dinner.

So GM in name only then? GMs do GM things... Perhaps he need the paycheck?