Let's talk about the front office situation

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by saden1

So GM in name only then? GMs do GM things... Perhaps he need the paycheck?

You clearly have no knowledge of how the Redskins front office worked under Shanahan. I would draw you an org structure but this isn't MS Word.

Shanahan reported to Snyder. Allen reported to Shanahan. Campbell and Brown reported to Allen.

All personnel decisions were made by Mike. Salary cap functions, scouting functions, non-football operations and alumni relations were handled by Allen. It was up to Shanahan to decide how do best make use of Allen and his resources.

Allen is not to blame for anything.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

You clearly have no knowledge of how the Redskins front office worked under Shanahan. I would draw you an org structure but this isn't MS Word.

Shanahan reported to Snyder. Allen reported to Shanahan. Campbell and Brown reported to Allen.

All personnel decisions were made by Mike. Salary cap functions, scouting functions, non-football operations and alumni relations were handled by Allen. It was up to Shanahan to decide how do best make use of Allen and his resources.

Allen is not to blame for anything.

I am merely puzzled what's his purpose? Is he the GM? What kind of retarded management structure is that? Who is the baby and who is the bathwater?

My firm belief is that Snyder created this miserable structure for a reason. Why?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by saden1

I am merely puzzled what's his purpose? Is he the GM? What kind of retarded management structure is that? Who is the baby and who is the bathwater?

My firm believe is that Snyder created this miserable structure for a reason. Why?

He was not a GM in the traditional sense. He had no control over player personnel. It was a Bill Parcells, Jimmy Johnson, I-buy-the-groceries-and-cook-the-dinner model.

Snyder hired Allen with a true GM model in mind, but to get Shanahan to sign on the dotted line he had to give him full control. That rendered Allen's true GM role useless, so Snyder had him doing other things.

Now Snyder has given Allen true GM power with player personnel decisions.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

You clearly have no knowledge of how the Redskins front office worked under Shanahan. I would draw you an org structure but this isn't MS Word.

Shanahan reported to Snyder. Allen reported to Shanahan. Campbell and Brown reported to Allen.

All personnel decisions were made by Mike. Salary cap functions, scouting functions, non-football operations and alumni relations were handled by Allen. It was up to Shanahan to decide how do best make use of Allen and his resources.

Allen is not to blame for anything.

This. People say GM in title only like that's a bad thing. I think it should be obvious BA wasn't making personnel decisions over Shanahan. As far as the new structure goes, I don't have a problem with it as long as Bruce Allen isn't scouting players or doing Campbell or Brown's job. Let them do their jobs and let BA just manage the two. I don't mind him making personnel decisions as long as he's picking between guys that Campbell/Brown scouted.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Exactly. I mean how many people here are supervisors? Do you not have friendships with your employees because you don't want to upset everyone else? Not only that, by all accounts RG3 is a very likeable guy. If I'M RG3, I would think it was odd if the person writing my paycheck avoided me.

[WillH]

I see that yes, but redefining the characteristics of players recruited has EVERYTHING to do with scheme.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by WillH

I see that yes, but redefining the characteristics of players recruited has EVERYTHING to do with scheme.

I think he meant that he's going to trust what Morocco & Scott tell him and draft/sign FA's with their input as opposed to going to Shanny for final say.

I'm sure they aren't going to recruit players before they know what scheme the new HC will be running. That's completely retarded.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by WillH

I see that yes, but redefining the characteristics of players recruited has EVERYTHING to do with scheme.

i was somewhat confused as to the sequence of statements as well = saying first "we are going to redefine ..." followed by saying "when we have a HC ..." makes it seem like they will first decide what type of player they are looking for and then allow the new HC to have some input as well but after-the-fact.

but i reminded myself that this was the transcript of allen's presser and words have better context and fluidity when heard instead of seen in B&W.

my clear impression is that they will get a new HC who will have input on the players as well. somewhat awkward sentence structure.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

i was somewhat confused as to the sequence of statements as well = saying first "we are going to redefine ..." followed by saying "when we have a HC ..." makes it seem like they will first decide what type of player they are looking for and then allow the new HC to have some input as well but after-the-fact.

but i reminded myself that this was the transcript of allen's presser and words have better context and fluidity when heard instead of seen in B&W.

my clear impression is that they will get a new HC who will have input on the players as well. somewhat awkward sentence structure.

Sure, transcripts can come across differently, and no I didn't watch the presser, and I appreciate you being polite about it. Thank you!

But I still maintain that the strong statement at the end of "the decision will be mine," is concerning because he is not a football guy, he is a management guy. I certainly hope the new coach has say over scheme, otherwise it will get ugly quickly, and I think it will be pretty apparent early on, like it was with Zorn.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by WillH

Sure, transcripts can come across differently, and no I didn't watch the presser, and I appreciate you being polite about it. Thank you!

But I still maintain that the strong statement at the end of "the decision will be mine," is concerning because he is not a football guy, he is a management guy. I certainly hope the new coach has say over scheme, otherwise it will get ugly quickly, and I think it will be pretty apparent early on, like it was with Zorn.

This will probably be sticking point with the new coach, I want to run my own scheme. I dont think Bruce will say Bevell your hired, now be prepared to Houston run n shoot from 1992

[WillH]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

This will probably be sticking point with the new coach, I want to run my own scheme. I dont think Bruce will say Bevell your hired, now be prepared to Houston run n shoot from 1992

Sure, (and I know people are sick of my opinion, but that is what a forum is for) I think this will be a sticking point for coaching candidates, but I don't think my concern is as ludicrous as people are making it out to be. The FO HAS made important football decisions before hiring a HC before, and we were stuck with Zorn. Maybe I am not remembering correctly, but I seem to recall that they hired the coordinators before they settled on Zorn.

IF, there is any question about schemetic decision making (and granted that may be a BIG IF), than what kind of coach are we going to be able to land.

[Redskins_P]

"Obviously when we have a new head coach, there will be some schematic adjustments that we will make. But that power will be with me.”

I don't know whats so hard to understand. A new coach comes in with a new scheme will want players that fit his scheme best. How does that sound like we've already made schematic changes???? He stating the obvious. A new coach = a new scheme.

[WillH]

Also, who is the "we" he is speaking of when he says they are redefining characteristics? Is it a Royal we? Is it he and Snyder? Or is it he, Brown, and Campbell?

And in any of these cases, why should HE be part of that decision? He is not a personnel guy?

And why would they make these changes without even knowing the scheme of their next head coach?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by WillH

Also, who is the "we" he is speaking of when he says they are redefining characteristics? Is it a Royal we? Is it he and Snyder? Or is it he, Brown, and Campbell?

And in any of these cases, why should HE be part of that decision? He is not a personnel guy?

And why would they make these changes without even knowing the scheme of their next head coach?

You're not allowed to talk anymore. Go back and study harder for the reading comprehension component of the SAT.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by schneed10

you're not allowed to talk anymore. Go back and study harder for the reading comprehension component of the sat.

lol