Let's talk about the front office situation

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Nothing Alan said even remotely implied that Snyder would have any input in the roster. Allen essentially said morocco is going to make all free agent evaluations, Campbell will do the same for the draft, and then Allen will make decisions on which guys to bring in based on the recommendations

He also hasn't said that he won't have any input on the roster. Morocco will make the evaluations, but Snyder's track record has been to influence and often overtake qualified opinion (unless he's contractually obligated not too).

I'm not trying to say Snyder is the big bad wolf, and that everything he does is evil. I'm saying Snyder has a well known history of interjecting when not contractually restrained.

In the current set-up, he's not excluded from the process; and I think that's by design. I wish it wasn't.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

He also hasn't said that he won't have any input on the roster. Morocco will make the evaluations, but Snyder's track record has been to influence and often overtake qualified opinion (unless he's contractually obligated not too).

I'm not trying to say Snyder is the big bad wolf, and that everything he does is evil. I'm saying Snyder has a well known history of interjecting when not contractually restrained.

In the current set-up, he's not excluded from the process; and I think that's by design. I wish it wasn't.

What are you saying? That Snyder told Vinny which players to draft? I highly doubt that.

You want him excluded from the process? Here's a news flash: Snyder owns the team! If I owned an NFL team, I'd make Snyder look as patient and hands off as a Buddhist monk in comparison to me.

Back to reality, Snyder's reputation as a control freak pales in comparison to those of Jerry Jones, the late Al Davis, and some other NFL owners.

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

What are you saying? That Snyder told Vinny which players to draft? I highly doubt that.

You want him excluded from the process? Here's a news flash: Snyder owns the team! If I owned an NFL team, I'd make Snyder look as patient and hands off as a Buddhist monk in comparison to me.

Back to reality, Snyder's reputation as a control freak pales in comparison to those of Jerry Jones, the late Al Davis, and some other NFL owners.

Pales in comparison is your opinion, one which I strongly disagree on. Snyder's reputation hasn't been conjured up by some propaganda machine. He's earned it.

Their are plenty of owners who don't meddle with their team's front office, and given Snyders track record- it's time for him to exclude himself from the football operations.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

Pales in comparison is your opinion, one which I strongly disagree on. Snyder's reputation hasn't been conjured up by some propaganda machine. He's earned it.

Their are plenty of owners who don't meddle with their team's front office, and given Snyders track record- it's time for him to exclude himself from the football operations.

You mean like he has for the last four years when Shanahan had TOTAL control over football operations?

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

You mean like he has for the last four years when Shanahan had TOTAL control over football operations?

No, I mean what I wrote earlier in the thread

Originally Posted by RobH4413

If you heard JLC this morning on the junkies- he delivered a pretty striking sermon regarding the Redskins current FO situation. He didn't have as much pessimism about finding a good coach, but implied that the Dan Snyder can only skin a cat two ways.

• Having the head coach (a la Shotty, Gibbs, and Shanny) have complete control, even when they aren't qualified to do so. Gibbs was not ever known to build a roster. Shanahan was fired from Denver for personnel gaffes as well.

• Or having the front office take control, with Snyder directly involved a la Jerry Jones.

The current look right now is the latter of the two, and JLC was extremely pessimistic about the chances of success for the Redskins, as am I. Bruce Allen's strengths have never been personnel (he's earned his experience through contracts/negotiations with agents), and now we're going to have to live through another round of Danny boy fiddling with the roster

I can't see why it's so damn hard to hire a true GM and step back and let the process play. He wants to be involved, and beyond that I think he LOOOOVESSS to be involved. It's his team and he can do whatever he wants.

I really hope this isn't the case, because we're in for another long stretch folks if it is.

[RobH4413]

Let me be clear. I am advocating for a true GM because I think these two previously (repeatedly) used templates for running the organization suck.

1. Give a coach 100% control over football operation. (Shottenheimer, Gibbs, Shanahan)
2. Handcuff F/O and coach with Quasi-GM bureaucratic mess (Spurrier, Zorn)

My proposed solution is for a true GM (not Snyder's right hand man), with respectable football organizational and social skills to provide a coaching staff with the tools for success.

Perhaps Allen and co can succeed with this template, but I'm worried about the influence Snyder has on the team, due to the track record. I'm hoping more changes come, and Snyder openly and officially steps back and let's the football guys do what they know how to do.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

Let me be clear. I am advocating for a true GM because I think these two previously (repeatedly) used templates for running the organization suck.

1. Give a coach 100% control over football operation. (Shottenheimer, Gibbs, Shanahan)
2. Handcuff F/O and coach with Quasi-GM bureaucratic mess (Spurrier, Zorn)

My proposed solution is for a true GM (not Snyder's right hand man), with respectable football organizational and social skills to provide a coaching staff with the tools for success.

Perhaps Allen and co can succeed with this template, but I'm worried about the influence Snyder has on the team, due to the track record. I'm hoping more changes come, and Snyder openly and officially steps back and let's the football guys do what they know how to do.

I agree we need a true GM, but I am not sold that Snyder had shown the ability to hire a competent one that he trusts to run the show

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

Let me be clear. I am advocating for a true GM because I think these two previously (repeatedly) used templates for running the organization suck.

1. Give a coach 100% control over football operation. (Shottenheimer, Gibbs, Shanahan)
2. Handcuff F/O and coach with Quasi-GM bureaucratic mess (Spurrier, Zorn)

My proposed solution is for a true GM (not Snyder's right hand man), with respectable football organizational and social skills to provide a coaching staff with the tools for success.

Perhaps Allen and co can succeed with this template, but I'm worried about the influence Snyder has on the team, due to the track record. I'm hoping more changes come, and Snyder openly and officially steps back and let's the football guys do what they know how to do.

I really don't understand your position, but it seems to be one based out of pure speculation/distrust of Snyder. By most all accounts he stayed out of Gibbs and Shanahan's way, and mostly out of Cerrato's way as well. You say he has a track record, but his last 8 years of owning the team has been mostly with him on the outside letting the people he thought he could trust handle it. He is still a work in progress as an owner, but he's by no means the same guy who fired Marty brashly.

I just hope we get something that works for the Skins, regardless of how long the process takes